license woes

Peter wrote:
What are you smoking?
Ha ha, I'm not smoking.. bad for flying.

Sylvain wrote:
To be fair, the FAA is a lot more accommodating and helpful (and
efficient and rational) than any of the other four civil aviation
authorities with which I have dealt in the past (Irish, British,
Swiss and French -- guess which is the worst by a long shot?)

I hear the same comments from other pilots. When I tell my story at
airports or seminars, their first reaction is always, "Huh? that
doesn't make sense..." But when I say, "so, I'm thinking of asking for
an exception", most people say, "Yeah, I'm sure FAA will make an
exception for your case. They are much better than my home country
xxx's CAA." No one successfully explained me what public good
61.75(b)(3) has.
I indeed asked for an exception to an examinar at FAA HQ in Oklahoma
last month, and was rejected, but I might try again with all these
encouragements. If they don't, FAA is going to lose trust of many
pilots, I'm afraid.

-Gen

On 7 Nov 2006 21:10:06 -0800, "gen" wrote in
. com:

- Does anyone know the background 14 CFR 61.75(b)(3) was
established for? (I asked FAA officers, but nobody knew.)


Part 61 Sec. 61.75 - Eff. 12/01/1978
There's supposed to be historical information he
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...=1&Count=1000#

But I wasn't able to retrieve the page at that URL.

Here is the parent page:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...e?OpenFrameSet
It purports to provide a means of searching FAR history.

There is an 'Ask FAA' button at the top of the page, but I got a 401
error when I clicked it.

gen wrote:
But again, my point is that a pilot license should be awarded solely
based on the flight
proficiency, aeronautical knowledge, and flight experience. If there is
no good reason, I'd even dare to say that 61.75(b)(3) is
discriminative..



I feel for your situation... I really do. But your last statement.... as if
your country doesn't raise discrimination against gaijin an art form.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:

I'm not convinced this is true. Yes, you could have gotten
the U.S. license based on the Japanese glider license first,
but I would have expected it to become invalid as soon as
you received a U.S. private ASEL. You can only have one
private license in the U.S. and it lists all your
privileges.

you are incorrect. The only thing that 61.75 says on
the subject (61.75(b)(3)) is that you must not already
have a US certificate when you are issued a certificate
under 61.75; but nothing prevents you from getting a FAA
certificate afterwards;

This is precisely my situation, and the FAA has no problem
with it. Reread the rule, it is quite clear actually.

rules here. You can't mix and match.

actually you can.

Surrender the U.S. ASEL license. You already have the 1992
ASEL in Japan and the glider in Japan. Then the U.S. will
issue you a U.S. license based on the Japanese license with
both ASEL and glider privileges since you have both in
Japan. Provided they are still valid, you get both
privileges here without more expense and your BFR will still
be valid. (BFR's don't correspond to any specific license
and your time and logged training are still valid and
applicable)

this on the other hand is correct, though you want to be
careful about it; some foreign licenses do expire some
don't, and keeping them current can be a pain when you
live abroad; I was lucky that the foreign license I used
-- a pre-JAR British one -- does not expire; I mean, as
long as it isn't revoked it remains valid as far as
61.75 is concerned; someone with a German license on the
other hand would not be so lucky and it would involve more
headaches. Also, getting a certificate under 61.75
nowdays is a lot more involved that it used to (you have
to get the country that issues it to validate it -- i.e.,
you have to get two administrations from two different
countries to successfully communicate with each other, not
a trivial step...);

oh and you loose the privilege of doing agricultural work :-)

--Sylvain

Were it me in this situation, I would not surrender any certificate. I
would not count on getting any of the privilages back, despite the
rules. Bird in the hand and all. Bureaucracy can be maddening.

What I would do is pursue an add-on to my existing cert, and try to get
the club to make an exception based on circumstances (to their "PP
license or better" rule, esp since you =do= have a PP, albeit in powered
craft).

All the training is still flying.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

I appreciate this info, Larry. A little progress toward understanding
61.75(b)(3).

-Gen

Larry Dighera wrote:
On 7 Nov 2006 21:10:06 -0800, "gen" wrote in
. com:

- Does anyone know the background 14 CFR 61.75(b)(3) was
established for? (I asked FAA officers, but nobody knew.)


Part 61 Sec. 61.75 - Eff. 12/01/1978
There's supposed to be historical information he
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...=1&Count=1000#

But I wasn't able to retrieve the page at that URL.

Here is the parent page:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...e?OpenFrameSet
It purports to provide a means of searching FAR history.

There is an 'Ask FAA' button at the top of the page, but I got a 401
error when I clicked it.

rules here. You can't mix and match.

actually you can.

I heard the same thing from an Inspector at San Jose FSDO and an
Examinar at FAA HQ in Oklahoma, so I believe that Sylvain's experience
is legitimate. And I COULD do so because I already had a Japanese
glider license in 1989, way before I took US ASEL in 1992.
Thanks Todd for raising a warning, though.

live abroad; I was lucky that the foreign license I used
-- a pre-JAR British one -- does not expire; I mean, as

Same thing for Japanese licenses, too. The license themselves don't
expire. Also, they don't require flight reviews to be current.
Of course, medical does expire and you cannot fly without medical, but
to my best knowledge I don't need to go back to Japan to take medical
but I can use Third Class medical here.

-Gen

Jose wrote:
What I would do is pursue an add-on to my existing cert, and try to get
the club to make an exception based on circumstances (to their "PP
license or better" rule, esp since you =do= have a PP, albeit in powered
craft).

Unfortunately the club rule states that I need to have FAA glider
private pilot certificate to be a member, so they had to terminate my
membership. Otherwise, they have to open the door for all power pilots.
However, they were sympathetic about my situation and refunded me the
full membership deposit which they normaly don't.

-Gen

Unfortunately the club rule states that I need to have FAA glider
private pilot certificate to be a member, so they had to terminate my
membership. Otherwise, they have to open the door for all power pilots.
However, they were sympathetic about my situation and refunded me the
full membership deposit which they normaly don't.

That's twisted logic. And if a club of twenty or so people uses twisted
logic that they won't untwine, I'd hold little hope that the FAA would
do better.

the club rule states...

That's why you are asking for an exception.

Otherwise, they have to open the door for all power pilots.

No, just all power pilots who also have a foreign glider cert that is
equivalent, as proven by having had a US glider certificate whose
withdrawal was for arcane bureaucratic reasons.

they were sympathetic about my situation

Doesn't really sound like it.

Jos
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Part 61 Sec. 61.75 - Eff. 12/01/1978
There's supposed to be historical information he
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...=1&Count=1000#

But I wasn't able to retrieve the page at that URL.

I was able to retrieve the page, and the rule was there, but there was
no historical info. There was an (empty) drop down menu.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.