707 does a roll -- video

Dudley Henriques wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
You know him? Cool!

I loved "Jet Age Test Pilot"!

Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the
prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale"
roll!!! :-))
Dudley Henriques

Tex is gone, but the Dash 80, restored to it's original (ugly) brown
and yellow paint scheme stands in the Smithsonian's Udvar-Hazy center.

I read once that, when questioned about the the roll and the potential
financial disaster for Boeing if he had crashed, Tex replied that he had
practiced it already, so he knew that it could be done.

Funny, if true.



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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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Danny Deger

Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
I think Tex probably sold more airplanes for Boeing that day over the
races than the sales department could have in ten years. He did get the
"word" however, not to do it again!!
He had a photo of the airplane inverted hanging in his office for many
years.
It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks
you. He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:
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Danny Deger

Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
I think Tex probably sold more airplanes for Boeing that day over the races
than the sales department could have in ten years. He did get the "word"
however, not to do it again!!
He had a photo of the airplane inverted hanging in his office for many
years.
It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks you.
He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
Dudley Henriques

I listened to a talk that Tex gave in the cafeteria of the 40-87
building in Everett back when I was working there. It was probably
1992 or 1993.

His talk was about a P-39 aircobra that he was involved in modifying
for an air race. One of the things he brought up early in his talk was
about how the landing gear came up in less than 2 seconds.
Unfortunately his memory was getting pretty bad and he kept asking if
he had brought up the fact that the landing gear came up in 2 seconds
throughout his talk. He must have asked that 15 times over the course
of his talk. After a while it almost took on the character of a
running joke, and it was hard to show the proper respect and keep a
straight face, especially since my engineering lead was sitting right
next to me with his hand over his face and a supressed laugh every time
Tex asked that question. I had to avoid looking over at him to avoid
laughing myself. It was one of those embarassing moments that are so
awkward you can't help but want to laugh.

Yes, I know that old age memory loss is not a laughing matter...

Dean

On 5 Jan 2007 10:00:58 -0800, wrote:

I listened to a talk that Tex gave in the cafeteria of the 40-87
building in Everett back when I was working there. It was probably
1992 or 1993.

His talk was about a P-39 aircobra that he was involved in modifying
for an air race. One of the things he brought up early in his talk was
about how the landing gear came up in less than 2 seconds.
Unfortunately his memory was getting pretty bad and he kept asking if
he had brought up the fact that the landing gear came up in 2 seconds
throughout his talk.

Yes, I know that old age memory loss is not a laughing matter...

He came and talked to our EAA Chapter about that time, and we discussed writing
after he signed a copy of his book for me. About nine months later, we happened
to meet in an elevator. He remembered me, and that I was a fellow author.

Wasn't all gone....

Ron Wanttaja

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On 5 Jan 2007 10:00:58 -0800, wrote:

I listened to a talk that Tex gave in the cafeteria of the 40-87
building in Everett back when I was working there. It was probably
1992 or 1993.

His talk was about a P-39 aircobra that he was involved in modifying
for an air race. One of the things he brought up early in his talk was
about how the landing gear came up in less than 2 seconds.
Unfortunately his memory was getting pretty bad and he kept asking if
he had brought up the fact that the landing gear came up in 2 seconds
throughout his talk.

Yes, I know that old age memory loss is not a laughing matter...

He came and talked to our EAA Chapter about that time, and we discussed writing
after he signed a copy of his book for me. About nine months later, we happened
to meet in an elevator. He remembered me, and that I was a fellow author.

Wasn't all gone....

Ron Wanttaja

Ron,

That's good to hear... At the time it was unclear to me why he was
having so much trouble remembering what he had already said 12 times
before...

Dean

Did I hear him call it a chandelle?

mike

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks
you. He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
Dudley Henriques

It was a true barrel roll. He had to keep pressure in the scavenger pumps
and this required positive g all the way around. The g was above 1 going in
and back to level flight and at 1 through the roll. (through the roll BTW is
where I describe barrel rolls)
Dudley Henriques


"mike regish" wrote in message
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Did I hear him call it a chandelle?

mike

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks
you. He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
Dudley Henriques

What I meant was, during the interview, I though I heard Tex call it a
chandelle.

mike

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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It was a true barrel roll. He had to keep pressure in the scavenger pumps
and this required positive g all the way around. The g was above 1 going
in and back to level flight and at 1 through the roll. (through the roll
BTW is where I describe barrel rolls)
Dudley Henriques

"mike regish" wrote in message
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What I meant was, during the interview, I though I heard Tex call it a
chandelle.

I'm sorry, but I've not seen this interview and he never mentioned Chandelle
with us that I can remember.
Just off the top of my head, he might have been referring to the extreme
high nose attitude he had to attain before initiating the roll off the
climb. The roll he did had an extremely loose and wide parameter and in
order to keep the exit speed in line he couldn't allow the nose to get WAY
down in the recovery. This required a VERY high entry nose attitude above
the horizon so that when past inverted going around, the nose attitude on
recovery would be low but not THAT low. After recovery, he just eased the
bird back to level flight from it's nose low position.
The reference to a Chandelle could have been Tex's way of emphasizing how
high the nose actually had to be, and not so much a direct reference to a
Chandelle being performed.
Personally, I'm not qualified in anything that large, but my guess based
simply on the energy involved would be that the Dash 80 would be VERY hard
pressed to perform a Chandelle without stalling out due to drag rise before
a max altitude/180 degree position change had been reached. Could
be.......but I'd like to actually see that before I'd believe it. However,
if anyone could do it, Tex would have been the guy to try it! :-)
Dudley Henriques

"mike regish" wrote in message
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Did I hear him call it a chandelle?


Yes he did. I don't understand why he said that. Maybe he did a chandelle
before he did the barrel roll and it didn't make the video

Danny Deger