Crash at MYF today....

Margy Natalie wrote:

I know some very young and fit 80 year olds and some very old 60 year
olds. I don't think age is a good predictor of anything. My father
climb Mt Vesuvius at 87 or so, my mother 20 years younger stayed at the
bottom.

Margy


As someone who is getting older, I agree wholeheartedly with you
sentiment and doubt that I will be able to climb Mt. Vesuvius when I'm
87. However, I have "climbed" Mt. Vesuvius. To put it in perspective,
one arrives at the ticket booths by bus, taxi, etc. and walks up a wide
trail to the top. The trail is 860 meters long and rises 135 meters to a
max altitude of 1180 meters. It takes 15-20 minutes at a leisurely pace.
It's more of a stroll than a climb. But kudos to your father.

Recently, RomeoMike posted:

Margy Natalie wrote:

I know some very young and fit 80 year olds and some very old 60 year
olds. I don't think age is a good predictor of anything. My father
climb Mt Vesuvius at 87 or so, my mother 20 years younger stayed at
the bottom.

Margy


As someone who is getting older, I agree wholeheartedly with you
sentiment and doubt that I will be able to climb Mt. Vesuvius when I'm
87. However, I have "climbed" Mt. Vesuvius. To put it in perspective,
one arrives at the ticket booths by bus, taxi, etc. and walks up a
wide trail to the top. The trail is 860 meters long and rises 135
meters to a max altitude of 1180 meters. It takes 15-20 minutes at a
leisurely pace. It's more of a stroll than a climb. But kudos to
your father.

I also climbed Mt. Vesuvius on this trail about 15 years ago... got to the
top, saw the tram that I could have taken instead, slapped head...

Neil

RomeoMike writes:

As someone who is getting older, I agree wholeheartedly with you
sentiment and doubt that I will be able to climb Mt. Vesuvius when I'm
87. However, I have "climbed" Mt. Vesuvius. To put it in perspective,
one arrives at the ticket booths by bus, taxi, etc. and walks up a wide
trail to the top. The trail is 860 meters long and rises 135 meters to a
max altitude of 1180 meters. It takes 15-20 minutes at a leisurely pace.
It's more of a stroll than a climb. But kudos to your father.

You might be surprised by how many people could not make that climb,
even many who are decades younger than 87. I know a lot of people who
cannot walk a mile on level ground without huffing and puffing. Many
of them are fat, but many others are just in such poor condition that
they cannot tolerate the relative workout of a brief walk.

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RomeoMike wrote:


Margy Natalie wrote:

I know some very young and fit 80 year olds and some very old 60 year
olds. I don't think age is a good predictor of anything. My father
climb Mt Vesuvius at 87 or so, my mother 20 years younger stayed at
the bottom.

Margy



As someone who is getting older, I agree wholeheartedly with you
sentiment and doubt that I will be able to climb Mt. Vesuvius when I'm
87. However, I have "climbed" Mt. Vesuvius. To put it in perspective,
one arrives at the ticket booths by bus, taxi, etc. and walks up a wide
trail to the top. The trail is 860 meters long and rises 135 meters to a
max altitude of 1180 meters. It takes 15-20 minutes at a leisurely pace.
It's more of a stroll than a climb. But kudos to your father.
I wasn't there, my mother made it sound like a big deal. He could out
run me when I was 15 and he was 73!

Margy

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:46:41 +0000 (UTC),
(John Clear) wrote:

In article ,
A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

Not that it should be a factor, but I do wonder about the age
of the pilot.. How old does the general public think is too old to fly?


We discussed pilot age on the internal newsgroups of my ISP after
Scott Crossfield's crash, and the general feeling was he was too
old to fly.

The general feeling was "They let 84-year-olds pilot planes?" No
specific age cut off was mentioned, but other then Crossfield/Hoover
types, the general feeling was 80+ was too old.

That really shows those in the discussion lack an understanding of the
system. I know 80 year olds I'd be glad to fly with and 30 some year
old instructors I won't get in a plane with.

The "Odds" are at 80 those unfit to fly are not going to pass the
physical.

If they can pass the physical and have no impairments they should be
fine to fly.


John
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Not that it should be a factor, but I do wonder about the age
of the pilot.. How old does the general public think is too old to fly?

What the general public thinks should not be the basis of any age
restrictions on flying.

Pilots slide off the runway all the time. Why is age not brought up
when they are young, but suddenly a factor when they are old?

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Not that it should be a factor, but I do wonder about the age
of the pilot.. How old does the general public think is too old to fly?

What the general public thinks should not be the basis of any age
restrictions on flying.

I never said it did. Re-read the first part of that sentence.
It says:

"Not that it should be a factor".

Sometimes I wonder if you put up an argument just because you
can. I also do wonder if it is easier to clap with one hand than it is
to argue with you.

Pilots slide off the runway all the time. Why is age not brought up
when they are young, but suddenly a factor when they are old?

Because you're dealing with reflexes and able to act on
impulse. It has been medically proven that said reflexes and impulses
tend to get slower as the body ages. Think about that the next time
you're stuck behind a senior citizen when they are driving 30km less
than speed limit on the road.

BL.
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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Not that it should be a factor, but I do wonder about the age
of the pilot.. How old does the general public think is too old to fly?

What the general public thinks should not be the basis of any age
restrictions on flying.

I never said it did. Re-read the first part of that sentence.
It says:

"Not that it should be a factor".

Sometimes I wonder if you put up an argument just because you
can. I also do wonder if it is easier to clap with one hand than it is
to argue with you.

Pilots slide off the runway all the time. Why is age not brought up
when they are young, but suddenly a factor when they are old?

Because you're dealing with reflexes and able to act on
impulse. It has been medically proven that said reflexes and impulses
tend to get slower as the body ages. Think about that the next time
you're stuck behind a senior citizen when they are driving 30km less
than speed limit on the road.

BL.

I suddenly have this really funny image of looking through the Citroen ahead
of me and being able to only see a Beret...

I wonder how the phrase "Great, I'm stuck behind 'A Hat'" translates?

Jay B

Howdy!

In article ,
A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:
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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Not that it should be a factor, but I do wonder about the age
of the pilot.. How old does the general public think is too old to fly?

What the general public thinks should not be the basis of any age
restrictions on flying.

I never said it did. Re-read the first part of that sentence.

....and you weren't accused of saying that it does. In addition,
disclaimer notwithstanding, you did muse out loud about the age of
the pilot. If it was irrelevant, why did you bring it up?

It says:

"Not that it should be a factor".

immediately followed with a "but" and the introduction.

Sometimes I wonder if you put up an argument just because you
can. I also do wonder if it is easier to clap with one hand than it is
to argue with you.

With this unexpected statement, it suggests that you are judging the
speaker instead of the words. Mxsmanic made a perfectly reasonable
statement that spoke to your musing and question. It does not merit
your tone of response.

Pilots slide off the runway all the time. Why is age not brought up
when they are young, but suddenly a factor when they are old?

Because you're dealing with reflexes and able to act on
impulse. It has been medically proven that said reflexes and impulses
tend to get slower as the body ages. Think about that the next time
you're stuck behind a senior citizen when they are driving 30km less
than speed limit on the road.

....but the youngsters don't have the same depth of experience to
avoid getting into fixes where those reflexes are tested. Think about
it the next time some hotshot comes flying up on you in heavy traffic
doing 30km over the "flow of traffic".

yours,
Michael


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Michael Houghton wrote:
Howdy!

Yo.

I never said it did. Re-read the first part of that sentence.

...and you weren't accused of saying that it does. In addition,
disclaimer notwithstanding, you did muse out loud about the age of
the pilot. If it was irrelevant, why did you bring it up?

Because with this incident happening, the public is going to
take that into account to demand something to be done. They are going
to wonder why someone his age still has his ticket, and to keep their
skies safe, will lobby for some sort of cap on a pilot's age. I
personally don't care how old the guy was, nor do I care for any age
limit. The guy could be going on his 180s and flying, and I really
wouldn't care. More power to him, and I hope when I get that old, I can
still fly. But the general public won't think that. That is why I
brought it up.

It says:

"Not that it should be a factor".

immediately followed with a "but" and the introduction.

See above.

Sometimes I wonder if you put up an argument just because you
can. I also do wonder if it is easier to clap with one hand than it is
to argue with you.

With this unexpected statement, it suggests that you are judging the
speaker instead of the words. Mxsmanic made a perfectly reasonable
statement that spoke to your musing and question. It does not merit
your tone of response.

Pilots slide off the runway all the time. Why is age not brought up
when they are young, but suddenly a factor when they are old?

Because you're dealing with reflexes and able to act on
impulse. It has been medically proven that said reflexes and impulses
tend to get slower as the body ages. Think about that the next time
you're stuck behind a senior citizen when they are driving 30km less
than speed limit on the road.

...but the youngsters don't have the same depth of experience to
avoid getting into fixes where those reflexes are tested. Think about
it the next time some hotshot comes flying up on you in heavy traffic
doing 30km over the "flow of traffic".

If Driving:
If they are doing that, when I look in my mirrors, I generally
see that they are being followed by police who are pulling them over.

If Flying:
Depending on what airspace I am in, that will be ATC's
responsibility, as they would be responsible for separation of
aircraft. I would also hope that they'd get a dressing down from them
for pulling what they're trying to pull.

BL.
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