FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS

Recently, Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net posted:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:42:52 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

Neil Gould wrote:

The "wiring" comes with the portable GPS in the way of the remote
antenna lead and power connector.

Neil


I think the big thingis they are going to go after the Air Gizmo
panel dock.

http://www.gulf-coast-
avionics.com/list.asp?search_type=2&search_text=Air+Gizmos

The antenna and power cables slide through prefabricated
"keyholes" in the back of the unit, which keeps the connectors
from slipping back into the panel when the unit is removed.

From what is written above, it would seem that there is no wiring
involved, other than threading the cables behind the panel. That
does have the potential to foul the control linkage I suppose.

The original article specificly said,

"The FAA's proposal would make it illegal for manufacturers to
produce a replacement or
modification part if they know (or should know) the part would end up
installed in a certified aircraft-that is unless they obtain
production approval from the agency."

That has got to be talking about the Air Gizmo without actually
saying Air Gizmo.

It would be nice to know the thinking behind this move. The FAA could be
concerned that something done by the user might affect the qualifications
for certification. Who knows?

Neil

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:23:35 GMT, "Bill Denton"
wrote in
:

Typically, in these types of installations, the power lead is "hard wired"
into the aircraft's electrical system...

By whom?

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:50:04 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:42:52 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

Neil Gould wrote:

The "wiring" comes with the portable GPS in the way of the remote
antenna lead and power connector.

Neil


I think the big thingis they are going to go after the Air Gizmo
panel dock.

http://www.gulf-coast-
avionics.com/list.asp?search_type=2&search_text=Air+Gizmos

The antenna and power cables slide through prefabricated
"keyholes" in the back of the unit, which keeps the connectors
from slipping back into the panel when the unit is removed.

From what is written above, it would seem that there is no wiring
involved, other than threading the cables behind the panel. That does
have the potential to foul the control linkage I suppose.

The original article specificly said,

"The FAA's proposal would make it illegal for manufacturers to produce a
replacement or
modification part if they know (or should know) the part would end up
installed in a certified aircraft-that is unless they obtain production
approval from the agency."

That has got to be talking about the Air Gizmo without actually saying Air
Gizmo.


I'm sorry, but I fail to understand how your followup relates to what
I wrote?

On 2 Feb 2007 12:49:06 -0800, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in .com:

The AirGizmo panel dock (for our 496) is the
nicest thing we've done in our plane, making sure that we don't have
the usual "cat's cradle" of wires fouling the controls and getting in
the way of everything.


How did you route the power and antenna wires? Did you wire the power
to a circuit breaker or leave the cigar lighter plug on? Are you sure
the wiring won't catch in the sprockets and chains of the aileron
controls?

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:39:13 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote in 5cOwh.21$yI1.10@trndny01:

They don't make 'laws', so how can they make something 'illegal'.

The OP meant to say, a violation of regulations, not illegal, I think.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
Think your portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna
172's instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to
mount it.

Here's the proposed rule changes (section 21.9 is on page 31 of the 40 page
PDF document):

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p87/416626.pdf

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:50:04 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:42:52 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

Neil Gould wrote:

The "wiring" comes with the portable GPS in the way of the remote
antenna lead and power connector.

Neil


I think the big thingis they are going to go after the Air Gizmo
panel dock.

http://www.gulf-coast-
avionics.com/list.asp?search_type=2&search_text=Air+Gizmos

The antenna and power cables slide through prefabricated
"keyholes" in the back of the unit, which keeps the connectors
from slipping back into the panel when the unit is removed.

From what is written above, it would seem that there is no wiring
involved, other than threading the cables behind the panel. That
does have the potential to foul the control linkage I suppose.

The original article specificly said,

"The FAA's proposal would make it illegal for manufacturers to
produce a replacement or
modification part if they know (or should know) the part would end up
installed in a certified aircraft-that is unless they obtain
production approval from the agency."

That has got to be talking about the Air Gizmo without actually
saying Air Gizmo.


I'm sorry, but I fail to understand how your followup relates to what
I wrote?

Because you brought up wiring that had little to do with the original post.
I requoted the part of the article that dealt with, what I beleive, is the
Air Gizmo.

From the document:


§ 21.9 Replacement and modification parts.

(b) Except as provided in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) of this section,
a person who produces a replacement or modification part for sale may not
represent that part as suitable for installation on a type-certificated
product.

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From http://www.airgizmos.com/index.asp


All products on this site are intended for use on experimental aircraft.
Installation in a production aircraft may require an FAA field approval.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------

From this, it might be reasonable to conclude that the AirGizmos units will
still be okay for use in Experimental aircraft.

However, the issue of SLSA's may still need to be clarified.





"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
Think your portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna
172's instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to
mount it.

Here's the proposed rule changes (section 21.9 is on page 31 of the 40
page
PDF document):

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p87/416626.pdf

Bill Denton wrote:
From the document:


§ 21.9 Replacement and modification parts.

(b) Except as provided in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) of this section,
a person who produces a replacement or modification part for sale may not
represent that part as suitable for installation on a type-certificated
product.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------

From http://www.airgizmos.com/index.asp


All products on this site are intended for use on experimental aircraft.
Installation in a production aircraft may require an FAA field approval.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------

From this, it might be reasonable to conclude that the AirGizmos units will
still be okay for use in Experimental aircraft.

However, the issue of SLSA's may still need to be clarified.





"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:

FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
Think your portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna
172's instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to
mount it.

Here's the proposed rule changes (section 21.9 is on page 31 of the 40

page

PDF document):

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p87/416626.pdf




Oh for Christ's sake. An experimental is just that. EXPERIMENTAL! You
can install a crystal ball without any approval whatever. You just have
to fly off the design.

Rip

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message


They don't make 'laws', so how can they make something 'illegal'.

The OP meant to say, a violation of regulations, not illegal, I think.

You've mentioned this distinction at least a couple times recently, but I'm
thinking it's a lot less black & white than I'd like it to be.

When you have such a thing as an "administrative law judge" and Congress
forfeiting (gladly?) to the Executive branch broad regulatory power,
regulations begin to carry the weight of "law" and "violation of
regulations" becomes essentially the same thing as "illegal." The only
significant distinction is jail time or the lack thereof. However, if the
penalty is severe enough, losing one's estate is not much better than simple
jail time.

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