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Old February 10th 07, 12:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
gatt
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By way of comparison, since everybody's swingin' on "Plosi" for the very
thing:

http://www.mtexpress.com/2003/03-08-...8-06murphy.htm

For this last stop before going to his vacation home in Jackson, Wyo.,
Cheney required:

a.. The Air Force's largest transport, the four-jet C-17 Globemaster, to
cart two armored Cadillac limousines and three Secret Service SUVs.


b.. Two military Blackhawk helicopters for over-flight security and
surveillance.


c.. Two Air Force-operated twin-jet luxury Gulfstream jets.


d.. An estimated two dozen Secret Service agents, plus vice presidential
aides.


e.. Added security from the Idaho State Police, Blaine County Sheriff's
Office, and Bellevue, Hailey and Ketchum police departments stationed along
state Highway 75.
Counting a fund-raising stop in Salt Lake City that raised $300,000 and the
Bellevue reception that harvested another $175,000, the irony is that
government costs of this outing undoubtedly far exceeded contributions


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Old February 10th 07, 12:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
gatt
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"Michelle P" wrote in message
news:0M6zh.20372

CNN is going for the biggest bang for the buck and story.


It ain't the media who made the stink, it was the Republicans.

A USAF Major and another person told me that Cheney has a C-17 with him when
he flies home to Jackson Hole. I was a little doubtful. But then
I found this: http://www.mtexpress.com/2003/03-08-...8-06murphy.htm
For this last stop before going to his vacation home in Jackson, Wyo.,
Cheney required:

a.. The Air Force's largest transport, the four-jet C-17 Globemaster, to
cart two armored Cadillac limousines and three Secret Service SUVs.


b.. Two military Blackhawk helicopters for over-flight security and
surveillance.


c.. Two Air Force-operated twin-jet luxury Gulfstream jets.


d.. An estimated two dozen Secret Service agents, plus vice presidential
aides.


e.. Added security from the Idaho State Police, Blaine County Sheriff's
Office, and Bellevue, Hailey and Ketchum police departments stationed along
state Highway 75.
Counting a fund-raising stop in Salt Lake City that raised $300,000 and the
Bellevue reception that harvested another $175,000, the irony is that
government costs of this outing undoubtedly far exceeded contributions...



Michelle



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Old February 10th 07, 12:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
gatt
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Dallas wrote:

CNN reports that Nancy's B757 operating costs are $22,000.00 an hour.

Geez, I used to think $125 an hours was expensive.


It's a lot cheaper when it is paid for with somebody else's money.


Cheney's entourage includes a C-17 Globemaster

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/79883 [includes photo]
As Vice President Dick Cheney passed through Shannon Airport this morning on
his way to a meeting with King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud of Saudi
Arabia. Cheney is due through Shannon again later tonight. According toUS
news channel CNN "the brevity of Cheney's visit underlies the growing sense
of urgency after a series of events highlighting an increasingly unstable
Middle East". It is also rumored that George W Bush will fly through Shannon
Airport this Tuesday on his way to Jordan.

Earlier this week it was reported by a source at Shannon Airport that a US
Air Force C17 Globemaster was on the runway. This massive cargo plane is one
of 53 C17's that operate from Charlestown Air, South Carolina, home to the
437th and 315th Airlift Wing. This is the second C17 to confirmed visit to
Ireland this year. An Gardai Siochana and the Irish Defence Forces are
guarding the plane in the centre security zone in the middle of the
aerodrome. It is suspected that this plane carrying part of the security
detail and an armored limousine should the Vice President need to leave the
airport.


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Old February 10th 07, 12:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:43:20 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

That works out to $122.22 per hour at what, 500 knots?


Cheaper than a Cessna 172 ....


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Old February 10th 07, 12:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...

It's Pelosi, and what B757? Can somebody identify "Nancy's B757" or
demonstrate that she has ever used or even requested such at thing


She did request it. She believed that the GulfStream Hastered had used
was too small. If you have a newspaper you'll find the story inside.


I've found the story and it includes Tony Snow from the White House blowing
the whistle on the whole issue and defending Pelosi.

Maybe it's 'cause they don't want too much attention drawn to Cheney's C-17,
(anybody here in Jackson Hole to confirm this? A woman at the FBO said
whenever he comes home, a C-17 shows up with security and all and
monkeywrenches all of the GA operations there.)

Or, maybe Tony Snow is telling it straight. But the White House is
defending Pelosi in the articles I've read today.

-c


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Old February 10th 07, 01:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In a previous article, "gatt" said:
Maybe it's 'cause they don't want too much attention drawn to Cheney's C-17,
(anybody here in Jackson Hole to confirm this? A woman at the FBO said
whenever he comes home, a C-17 shows up with security and all and
monkeywrenches all of the GA operations there.)


Apropos of nothing, several years ago a C-130 crashed departing Jackson
Hole with some sort of security detail because they didn't follow the
published departure. I can't remember if it was Cheney or Clinton's. I
wonder if they went to the C-17 for the higher capacity, or because it
climbs better.

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that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely,
there are no limits."
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Old February 10th 07, 01:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Neither the White House nor Pelosi nor her staff requested the
C-32 (USAF version of the 757). The House Sgt at Arms requested
an aircraft that can travel non-stop for security reasons. This
has become standard practice in the past 6 years.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/...ane/index.html


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Old February 10th 07, 01:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"gatt" wrote

a.. The Air Force's largest transport, the four-jet C-17 Globemaster, to
cart two armored Cadillac limousines and three Secret Service SUVs.


When did they make the C-17 bigger than the C-5A? I didn't know that it was
due for and up-sizing.
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Old February 10th 07, 01:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message


"In its commercial configuration the 757-200 usually
seats 175-190 passengers."


Lets call it 180 seats.


No, let's call it 42 since that's the number of business class seats on the
plane she (or whomever) was talking about. The plane in question is not the
commercial 757, but a customized version with far fewer seats.

Given the OP's assertion:

CNN reports that Nancy's B757 operating costs are $22,000.00 an
hour.

That works out to $122.22 per hour at what, 500 knots?


$523.81/hour/seat each way.

Regardless, it seems this story has been made to be larger than it really
is. The Speaker is second in line to succeed the President and is entitled
to more security than most other public servants. While the use of the C-32
was apparently an option, it appears she didn't specifically request it, but
rather a plane with transcontinental range.

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Old February 10th 07, 01:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Feb 9, 5:53 pm, "gatt" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in oglegroups.com...

It's Pelosi, and what B757? Can somebody identify "Nancy's B757" or
demonstrate that she has ever used or even requested such at thing


She did request it. She believed that the GulfStream Hastered had used
was too small. If you have a newspaper you'll find the story inside.


I've found the story and it includes Tony Snow from the White House blowing
the whistle on the whole issue and defending Pelosi.

Maybe it's 'cause they don't want too much attention drawn to Cheney's C-17,
(anybody here in Jackson Hole to confirm this? A woman at the FBO said
whenever he comes home, a C-17 shows up with security and all and
monkeywrenches all of the GA operations there.)

Or, maybe Tony Snow is telling it straight. But the White House is
defending Pelosi in the articles I've read today.

-c


I live here in the "Hole" and my plane is based at JAC. Unless you sat
here and watched the carnival everytime Dick comes home to roost you
would never believe how much money is spent. It will make you shake
your head in disbelief. The last time he was here they used 2 C-17's,
a 757 and god knows what other support stuff, The C-130 into terrain
was a Clinton support plane carrying secret service stuff they use to
listen to all the cell phones and read emails. Ya think they don't
monitor stuff?? This posting will really **** them off,. G

 




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