747-400 questions

Hey JW,

I just peaked inside RAP for the first time because of all the commotion
thats gone on because of MX Manic depressed. I cant believe the level of
anger that he has caused in RAP.

Some people are still trying to be nice but he goes and says stupid things
to **** them off also.

Let me introduce myself to the RAP. I am an msfs pilot only. But I do fly
(passenger) and have been in a Beaver for a flight around the mountains of
Mt McKinley this past summer. I cant express how breathtaking it was and
how amazing being in a real plane trying to hear each other over the sound
of the screaming single engine are.

I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive. It
is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont be
able to pass any physical exams for my PPL. So my only choices are to do
what I did when I was younger. Sit on the closest place to an end of the
runway and watch, or sit in a chair and fly on FS9 and dream. Some or
actually most of us on alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim try to learn and
experience why and how about aviation. But we do know its not real life.
Learning to fly isnt just controlling the plane, but being able to handle
all the other situations that can happen. Control Stalls, engine out, using
the radios, plotting routes with weather patterns, worrying which part is
going to fail next and how long the plane will be out of commission waiting
for the parts etc. But the most I feel is what we are really not
experiencing and no matter how hard we try our little corner of the FS world
wont let us. That is looking out the window and seeing this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...a/IMG_0342.jpg

Yup, on approach to landing on that big piece of Glacier. The Beaver had
skies.

enough said.

Mark G
Not4wood


"John Ward" wrote in message
...
Hi Not4wood,

"... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help you.
..."

I'll try though, just this once.

If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently
about things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing), and
wants to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one thing
he could do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the knowledge
that everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even though, no
matter what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to identify people
by their posts, I reckon...).

Then, he would get a whole different reception...

Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!

Regards,
John Ward


"Not4wood" wrote in message
news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...
Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:

Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I
feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest
events..

You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell
you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert
and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When
you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see it
printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots
Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge,
skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up
in here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going back
to them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain
stupid. The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing,
learn nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who
are the real experienced people in the skies what they should know and
do. That is ARROGANT!

First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO
ONE wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that
now of all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off
just about everyone.

Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
you, where ever you go.

Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows.
Now turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this
morning.

Not4wood




"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
BT writes:

That's how it is in real airplanes.

Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
to a
737).

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

In article ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04,
"Not4wood" wrote:

I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive. It
is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont be
able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.

Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
(FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third class
medical?

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...b4d692406916cf
c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno =14

"Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate a

(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with or
without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact lenses)
are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the condition
that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an airman
certificate.

(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in each eye
separately, with or without corrective lenses.

(c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance of
airman duties.

(d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa that
interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be expected
to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be aggravated
by flying. "

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

The sim game player in question likes seeing his handle in the news
group. This non-pilot has made, according to Google, over 500 postings
this month, about 3 times as many as the next most frequent poster.

Try to ignore him. It's difficult, I know, not to point out the errors
he makes, but try.




On Feb 25, 6:43 am, "John Ward" wrote:
Hi Not4wood,

"... you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE wants to help you.
..."

I'll try though, just this once.

If Mxsmanic has "calmed down", as you put it, or feels differently about
things these days (and, I must say, I perceived the same thing), and wants
to participate in the n/g, as all the rest of us do, then one thing he could
do is change his moniker, and start afresh, safe in the knowledge that
everyone would have the good grace not to trace him (even though, no matter
what anyone calls themselves, you get to be able to identify people by their
posts, I reckon...).

Then, he would get a whole different reception...

Just a thought, but, hey, I've been wrong before, mate!

Regards,
John Ward

"Not4wood" wrote in message

news:r4eEh.3727$iF.3506@trndny03...



Again, I'll have to explain things to MXS:

Side note: Way too many of the members of this great Usenet group agmfs
have put you in there kill files and wont see this. I am crossposting
this for the benefit of the RL Pilots who we have heard that you have
****ed off as well. I never intentionally cross post until now where I
feel I have to inform the RL counterpart to this group about the latest
events..

You've calm down lately and that is a good thing. Sorry to have to tell
you this but you have annoyed way too many people with your arrogant
quotes and self righteous attitude. Believing yourself to be an expert
and tell people that you know something when you dont is arrogant. When
you dont do something in RL and then become an expert because you see it
printed by somebody else and take credit for it. Now, thats arrogant.
When, this group starts to hear your ****ing people off in the RL Pilots
Group because you feel a need to try to be on there level of knowledge,
skill and experience. By arguing with them the things you've picked up in
here and making the mistake that this is real life and then going back to
them and arguing the point. Thats NOT arrogant. Thats just plain stupid.
The Real Life Pilots who fly RL planes see that you do nothing, learn
nothing and experience nothing but feel you have to tell them who are the
real experienced people in the skies what they should know and do. That
is ARROGANT!

First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I
might add. The problem is you have ****ed off too many of them and NO ONE
wants to help you. Get it, you've come to that point in time that now of
all things you need this group to help you after you ****ed off just about
everyone.

Now do you understand? Some of us have warned you including me. Now the
truth hurts, but you will probably rationalize your grave mistake so you
wont fully understand the implications of what you've done. Good luck to
you, where ever you go.

Pushes his chair back, and stands. Waits for a second and then bows. Now
turns and walks off into the Sunset to get his first cup of Jo this
morning.

Not4wood

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
.. .
BT writes:

That's how it is in real airplanes.

Good; I like realism. But is there any technique to finding the right
throttle setting? The 747 seems particularly prone to this (as compared
to a
737).

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
there.

I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see movements
on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see everything
but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because of this. The
example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming straight toward me
I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I can twist or move
slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and didn't let me do a
few things when I was younger but I tried. My other eye is OK, I can make
partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my situation wont allow me
to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a bunch of us go to the
movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL

Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money on
something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on any
of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do? I
fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the PIC
take the controls.

Mark G
Not4wood



"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04,
"Not4wood" wrote:

I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
It
is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont
be
able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.

Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
(FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
class
medical?

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...b4d692406916cf
c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno =14

"Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate a

(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with
or
without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
lenses)
are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
condition
that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
airman
certificate.

(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
each eye
separately, with or without corrective lenses.

(c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance of
airman duties.

(d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
that
interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
expected
to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
aggravated
by flying. "

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Not4wood writes:

First, there are plenty of 747 Virtual Pilots here and good ones to I might
add.

Maybe they'll speak up. Your post is useless to me.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Nomen Nescio writes:

You also need people who give a flyin' f**k about your questions and
don't think you're a waste of human life.

Intelligent people are uniformly members of that category.

It looks like you've run out of those in RAP.

I'm not sure that there were any to run out of.

Maybe it would be more effective to look elsewhere.

I posted these questions to two newsgroups. I'm still waiting for intelligent
answers. I thought it rather unlikely that 747 pilots would be on either
group, but it didn't hurt to try.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Not4wood writes:

Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
thought of getting my PPL.

Since you've resigned yourself to the idea of never passing the medical, what
would it hurt to investigate further and see if there is any way to pass? If
the answer is no, you've not lost much (except a small amount of money), and
if the answer is yes, you've gained a great deal.

There's always the possibility that medicals will be rationalized in the
future sometime, too, although I'm not holding my breath.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Good advice- did you have similar issues on your FAA medical?

Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
there.

I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
movements
on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see everything
but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because of this.
The
example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming straight toward
me
I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I can twist or move
slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and didn't let me do
a
few things when I was younger but I tried. My other eye is OK, I can make
partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my situation wont allow me
to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a bunch of us go to the
movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL

Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
on
something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
any
of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I do? I
fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch the
PIC
take the controls.

From reading your post, I am not at all convinced that you were tested
correctly.

I have personally known a pilot, with a lazy eye, who was certified with a
third class medical; and there have been many one eyed pilots, in addition
to Wiley Post, who were also certified. However, I don't know whether that
was something implicit in the normal testing procedure, or if a Statement Of
Demonstrated Ability (SODA) was required. I am not a doctor, and my own
vision complaint is simply near-sightedness, which is readily corrected to
better than 20/20 with glasses--so I have had no real motivation to research
the matter.

The best recommendation that I can give you is to attend a Wings Seminar, so
called because pilots who attend are eligible for Wings program credit
toward their bienial flight review requirement. I am not sure of the
correct name for the events, but look on http://faasafety.gov and pick
"SPANS Events and Seminars" about mid way down on the left side of the page,
then search on your zip-code and the number on miles you are willing to
travel. Many, perhaps most, of the events intended for pilots are hosted by
FAA Safety Program Coordinators from the nearest FSDO. They won't have all
of the answers, but will have excellent suggestions regarding who to call,
and I would take the opportunity to ask who is the Chief AME in your area
because that is who I would go to see--starting with a consultation BEFORE
filling out a new medical application. (The previous refusal may require
some paperwork to be accomplished much more quickly than would be practical
after you "start the clock" with a new application.)

BTW, this is also an area where an AOPA mambership can be a big asset.

Peter

P.S.: Please let us all know how you did!

if he just gave you the eye test.. was he an FAA AME?
was any paper work turned into the FAA for a failed medical?
Can you drive a car.. and you have a US State issued drivers license?

Then look into the new Light Sport Pilot certificate.
No FAA Medical required, as long as you have never failed an FAA Medical.
If the Eye Doc was not an AME and just said, you won't pass... then you have
not failed the Medical.
If there is a failed medical on record at FAA OKC. Then you will have to
clear that with a SODA before continuing.

Never give up
BT

"Not4wood" wrote in message
news:kHkEh.25976$kr6.12211@trndny09...
Yes, I was at an Optician/Eye Doctor (I forgot exactly what his title was)
getting my eyes done and I happened to mention to him about me trying to
take the eye test for the FAA. He looked at me and gave me the test right
there.

I have a lazy eye, and the vision is so poor it prevents me from seeing
clearly from about 8 inches and better in this one eye. I can see
movements on the peripheral but thats about it. Its not so bad I do see
everything but with no detail. I have no 3 dimensional judgment because
of this. The example would be catching a ball. If the ball is coming
straight toward me I cant make even a slight judgment to catch it. If I
can twist or move slightly out of plane then I can grab it. Not good, and
didn't let me do a few things when I was younger but I tried. My other
eye is OK, I can make partial judgments and get by. The bad thing is my
situation wont allow me to wear those stupid 3 dimensional glasses when a
bunch of us go to the movies for anything that was in 3D. LOL

Did I pass the FAA Medical, NO not even close. So I gave up with the
thought of getting my PPL. I dont care how cheap it is, knowing I wont be
able to pass the FAA Medical will still prevent me from wasting my money
on something I wont be able to complete no matter what I score or learn on
any of the other tests. Its called beating a Dead Horse. So what do I
do? I fly on Flight Simulator instead, or I sit in another seat and watch
the PIC take the controls.

Mark G
Not4wood



"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ZhfEh.6007$2u.4703@trndny04,
"Not4wood" wrote:

I have heard mentioned (in here) that learning to fly is not expensive.
It
is where I live (in New York), but because of my eyes I know that I wont
be
able to pass any physical exams for my PPL.

Without wanting to pry into your vision issues, have you talked to an AME
(FAA medical examiner) about whether or not you'd qualify for a third
class
medical?

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...b4d692406916cf
c0604324&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.5&idno =14

"Eye standards for a third-class airman medical certificate a

(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/40 or better in each eye separately, with
or
without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact
lenses)
are necessary for 20/40 vision, the person may be eligible only on the
condition
that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an
airman
certificate.

(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in
each eye
separately, with or without corrective lenses.

(c) Ability to perceive those colors necessary for the safe performance
of
airman duties.

(d) No acute or chronic pathological condition of either eye or adnexa
that
interferes with the proper function of an eye, that may reasonably be
expected
to progress to that degree, or that may reasonably be expected to be
aggravated
by flying. "

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate