Question - Regarding Canard Pushers...

Tilt wrote:
I'm seeing this may be the case. We arn't getting real serious yet, but I
want to start researching this info now. My friends and I would certainly
prefer a stick between the knees. My fighter friend has flown this way since
the start of his flying career. I myself like that arrangment too. Maybe we
need to look at other homebuilt designs. We would like the craft to have
some light aerobatics abilities. Nothing real heavy...none of us wants to go
off and join the Air Show.

I did find a web site of a dude building an SQ-2000 canard pusher. His
cockpit was set up with 2 yokes. This leads me to think it wouldn't be hard
to set up a center (between the knees) stick.

Any SQ-2000 owners out there want to enlighten me?


What is the reasoning behind a pusher? If you want to get started
sooner than later, then take a look at the Dyke Delta. It's plans
built. $200 to get started, and then pick up tubing as you go along.


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The standard configuration for the SQ 2000 is dual center joysticks.
Paul Lee wanted yokes and so has departed from the design in that regard.

JJF

Tilt wrote:
I'm seeing this may be the case. We arn't getting real serious yet, but I
want to start researching this info now. My friends and I would certainly
prefer a stick between the knees. My fighter friend has flown this way since
the start of his flying career. I myself like that arrangment too. Maybe we
need to look at other homebuilt designs. We would like the craft to have
some light aerobatics abilities. Nothing real heavy...none of us wants to go
off and join the Air Show.

I did find a web site of a dude building an SQ-2000 canard pusher. His
cockpit was set up with 2 yokes. This leads me to think it wouldn't be hard
to set up a center (between the knees) stick.

Any SQ-2000 owners out there want to enlighten me?

Cheers,
Lyle



You might want to wrangle a flight in a canard with a side stick before
you write off the concept. It does work reasonably well, at least on
the Gyroflug Speed Canard that I flew.

4 seat canards are not the sort of aircraft you do aerobatics in, so you
don't need the leverage that a long centre stick gives you.

I got lots of hours holding sticks between my knees too. I would prefer a
centre stick too. But a properly built and rigged canard should be able
to keep right side up once you've got it trimmed, I would have thought.
So you should be able to release the stick for short periods if you really
need both hands.

I'm not aware of any four place canards with centre sticks. I suspect it
would be a very large job to cobble a centre stick onto one of the four
place canard designs. You would need quite a few bell cranks, etc, and
the number of pivots could lead to excessive friction, if you weren't real
careful with the design and construction.

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I got lots of hours holding sticks between my knees too. I would prefer a
centre stick too. But a properly built and rigged canard should be able
to keep right side up once you've got it trimmed, I would have thought.
So you should be able to release the stick for short periods if you really
need both hands.

Most GA birds don't have aileron trim (maybe a ground adjustable tab
on aileron). If you make the bird so inherently stable that it will
fly hands off, then it will fly like a truck and be no fun to fly at
all. Two hands to make a turn, etc.

Lots of ways to make airplanes. Homebuilts let you make what you want
(good or bad)..


Big John

I got lots of hours holding sticks between my knees too. I would prefer a
centre stick too. But a properly built and rigged canard should be able
to keep right side up once you've got it trimmed, I would have thought.
So you should be able to release the stick for short periods if you really
need both hands.

Big John
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Why are you picking on the early model Mooney's? g


Barnyard BOb --

If you make the bird so inherently stable that it will
fly hands off, then it will fly like a truck and be no fun to fly at
all. Two hands to make a turn, etc.

Big John
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[Let's try this again}

Why are you picking on the early model Mooney's.




Barnyard BOb -- why am I doing this?

I have 500+ hours in a Q-200 (center stick) and am currently flying a
Glasair II (stick between the legs).
The position of the stick isn't an issue for me.At one time I thought it
was. I fly the Glasair left handed and am quite comfortable with it.
So many other things are issues!!! But certainly not the position of the
stick. The issues come and go as these machines are evolving, Issue at hand
is change both mags and harness or go with single electronic ignition.
It's always something!!!

Steve



"Tilt" wrote in message
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Hi,

I'm new to this newsgroup. I have a couple of questions.

Sometime within the next 10 years (hopefully a bit sooner), I will begin a
homebuilt project. Myself and a couple of friends plan to go in on a
project
together. Basically splitting the costs and the final product. 2 of us do
not yet have our pilots licence and one is currently a Canadian Forces
fighter pilot. We've only had casual conversation about this project so
far.
I've decided to start laying the ground work for this long term project.

We all really like the idea of a canard pusher design. 4 seats are also
desired. Details after that have not been discussed. But one thing that
popped up was the control stick position. I've noticed, while surfing the
net looking at Velocity's and Cozy's, that the stick is a side mount. I
would prefer a center mount stick and I know my fighter friend would want
the center stick. Does anyone produce a kit, along these lines, with a
center mount stick? Are there any other choices out there for a 4 place
canard pusher?

I've found some rough figures on costs of Velocity pushers. What are some
potential final tallies for Cozy's?

Lastly, what are some recommendations, for homebuilt canard pushers, that
any experts here can give?

Thanks,
Lyle

Steve,
How does the Q-200 fly?
Have you ever written up the handling characteristics?


Richard

smf wrote:

I have 500+ hours in a Q-200 (center stick) and am currently flying a
Glasair II (stick between the legs).
The position of the stick isn't an issue for me.At one time I thought it
was. I fly the Glasair left handed and am quite comfortable with it.
So many other things are issues!!! But certainly not the position of the
stick. The issues come and go as these machines are evolving, Issue at hand
is change both mags and harness or go with single electronic ignition.
It's always something!!!

Steve

Richard,
My Q-Bird was a Tri gear model so I didn't have the challanges of handling
on the ground. Some guys said "it was cheating" but it was a puppy on the
ground. In the air it was a pure "hands on airplane". Very responsive with a
rather high landing speed. I know of several fatalities in the planes. They
all seem to be in the test flight phase or in the first 20 hrs. of a new
owner.

These planes don't really stall, they just kinda porpoise. When the canard
stalls the rear wing is still flying so the nose drops and canard starts
flying again. It will do this over and over.

I'm convinced that after spending 570hrs in a Q I'm a better pilot.

Steve



"Richard Lamb" wrote in message
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Steve,
How does the Q-200 fly?
Have you ever written up the handling characteristics?


Richard

I have 500+ hours in a Q-200 (center stick) and am currently flying a
Glasair II (stick between the legs).
The position of the stick isn't an issue for me.At one time I thought it
was. I fly the Glasair left handed and am quite comfortable with it.
So many other things are issues!!! But certainly not the position of the
stick. The issues come and go as these machines are evolving, Issue at hand
is change both mags and harness or go with single electronic ignition.
It's always something!!!

Steve
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Stick, yoke, or whatever have been non issues
over the last 50 years of flying for me, but......
SINGLE electronic ignition scares the bejeezus
out of me.

What is your rationale, besides money?
Have you taken leave of your senses? g


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight

Bob,

I would go leave one mag on and have Electronic Ignition in place of the
other mag.
It isn't about money, I can get a Slick mag kit (2 mags and harness) for the
price of one Elec. Ignition system.
The elec. ign. has no moving parts except for the sensor and has a much
hotter spark and the benefits of spark advance.

Steve

Oh...I take leave of my senses regularly. Flying experimental is a good sign
of that!!!
" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Stick, yoke, or whatever have been non issues
over the last 50 years of flying for me, but......
SINGLE electronic ignition scares the bejeezus
out of me.

What is your rationale, besides money?
Have you taken leave of your senses? g


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight