Aviation Medical "Fraud"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I, for one, am amazed and thrilled that the bureacrats actually
bothered to check something, for a change. The fact that We the
People are paying monthly "diability" stipends to physically-fit
pilots is a scandal that should rock the Social Security
administration -- not the FAA.

Unfortunately we pilots are the easier target to hit.

Correct Jay. And that should be the point hammered home by AOPA and every
aviation supporter addressing this issue. The majority of these cases are
probably completely physically fit individuals who are scamming SSA not the
FAA.

Howard

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I wasn't aware that medical disability information was a matter of
public record; interesting.

Who said it was? There's nothing to stop two
federal agencies from comparing databases, as
long as they don't disclose the information in
the databases to the public.

I'm *not* in favor of such fishing expeditions,
but just the same, the government has a long
history of doing them.

Just curious: Why would you be *against* the gummint comparing notes?

The present example comes to mind as plenty of reason to be very wary. The
usual dictum is "garbage in, garbage out." We seldom mention the
transformation process in between. It's true that you can't make good
information out of bad (GIGO). It's equally true that you can take perfectly
good information and produce pure garbage, as they did in this case. 40 in
40000 hardly qualifies as "widespread abuse."

I, for one, am amazed and thrilled that the bureacrats actually
bothered to check something, for a change.

Oversight is good. Weeding out abuse is good. Promulgating it into law and
yet more layers of bureaucracy is not good. We don't need more laws. We
don't need more bureaucrats. In fact, bureacrats == abuse from my point of
view.

Jim Stewart writes:

They compared SSN disability recipents with
pilot's licenses. A few naughty individuals
had disabilities that would prevent them from
truthfully obtaining a valid medical, yet they
had one.

How many of the pilots committing fraud had been incapacitated in flight by
the conditions they hid from the FAA?

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jim Stewart writes:

They compared SSN disability recipents with
pilot's licenses. A few naughty individuals
had disabilities that would prevent them from
truthfully obtaining a valid medical, yet they
had one.

How many of the pilots committing fraud had been incapacitated in
flight by the conditions they hid from the FAA?

Why, you hoping to be called up front to push buttons and turn knobs?


bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Why, you hoping to be called up front to push buttons and turn knobs?

Because if they aren't being incapacitated by these conditions, perhaps the
conditions should not be disqualifying in the first place.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Why, you hoping to be called up front to push buttons and turn knobs?

Because if they aren't being incapacitated by these conditions,
perhaps the conditions should not be disqualifying in the first place.

What maybe like the way your's incapacitates you?

bertie

What would be more relevant is any correlation between these
individuals and accidents.


On Mar 27, 6:44 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote:
How is it that airmen are able to hide their medical conditions from
the licensed medical doctor examining them, but not from Congress?

The article says, but I guess you'd like
someone to write you an executive summary (:

They compared SSN disability recipents with
pilot's licenses. A few naughty individuals
had disabilities that would prevent them from
truthfully obtaining a valid medical, yet they
had one.





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House Committee Probes Aviation Medical "Fraud" (http://www.avweb.com)
House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman James L.
Oberstar, D-Minn., today released a committee oversight report that
identifies widespread fraud among pilots who hide serious medical
conditions from examining physicians to retain medical certification
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And if you read the longer version I posted in response to Larry's post you
will see that there is.


Andrew Sarangan wrote:
What would be more relevant is any correlation between these
individuals and accidents.


On Mar 27, 6:44 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote:
How is it that airmen are able to hide their medical conditions from
the licensed medical doctor examining them, but not from Congress?

The article says, but I guess you'd like
someone to write you an executive summary (:

They compared SSN disability recipents with
pilot's licenses. A few naughty individuals
had disabilities that would prevent them from
truthfully obtaining a valid medical, yet they
had one.





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House Committee Probes Aviation Medical "Fraud"
(http://www.avweb.com) House Transportation and Infrastructure
Committee Chairman James L. Oberstar, D-Minn., today released a
committee oversight report that identifies widespread fraud among
pilots who hide serious medical conditions from examining
physicians to retain medical certification for their FAA pilot
licenses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What would be more relevant is any correlation between these
individuals and accidents.


And if you read the longer version I posted in response to Larry's post
you
will see that there is.


I read it and saw that no real correlation was documented.

Recently, Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net posted:

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
What would be more relevant is any correlation between these
individuals and accidents.

And if you read the longer version I posted in response to Larry's
post you will see that there is.

I read it and saw only inuendo and implications unsupported by correlated
data.

Neil