SeeYou Single Person License

"Jim Vincent" wrote in message
:

Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend at a
reduced cost?






Because he doesn't own the software. He only has a license to use it
and that license has conditions on it.



From SeeYou's point of view, how can they know that your friend is not
still using it after he has "sold" the license to you?



Zero One

USA

And that license, if selling in the US, has to comply with US law.

Regarding the license on his version, there is no way of transferring a license. The key might allow 1-2 installs only.

He emailed them.
"01-- Zero One" wrote in message ...
"Jim Vincent" wrote in message :

Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend at a
reduced cost?






Because he doesn't own the software. He only has a license to use it and that license has conditions on it.



From SeeYou's point of view, how can they know that your friend is not still using it after he has "sold" the license to you?



Zero One

USA

Jim Vincent wrote:
And that license, if selling in the US, has to comply with US law.

Regarding the license on his version, there is no way of transferring a
license. The key might allow 1-2 installs only.

He emailed them.

"01-- Zero One" wrote
in message ...

"Jim Vincent" wrote in
message :

Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a
friend at a
reduced cost?




Because he doesn’t own the software. He only has a license to use
it and that license has conditions on it.



From SeeYou’s point of view, how can they know that your friend is
not still using it after he has “sold” the license to you?

Zero One

USA


Erazem and company put a lot of work into the product. They decide how they want
to sell it. In this case you are buying a contractual right of use, not a
tangible product.

If you agree to the license restrictions at point of purchase, to me at any rate
you have a ethical obligation to comply with the rules. I don't care what arcane
laws you can find to justify a different position. It may be - in some bent way
"legal" in the USA, but it is unethical.

And then people wonder why products like Flarm are kept form the US market.

'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.

At 19:00 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:
Does European law allow for a specified user? That
means that if you want
to sell it, you can't. Is that the way you prefer
your purchases? Would
you buy a car if you knew you could not sell it?

We're not cheapskates, we're smart.

'nimbusgb' wrote in message
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On 9 May, 19:12, 'Jim Vincent' wrote:
Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the
license from a friend
at a
reduced cost?

'Tuno' wrote in message

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Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!)
Bend over,
grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful
product and
worth every penny.

2NO

1 - Because thats what the original purchaser agreed
to when he
purchased the product

2 - Because the product is developed and sold under
European law. Dont
like it dont buy it!

Why are glider pilots such cheapskates? - they'll
spend 100k on a ship
and then baulk at spending 10, 20 or 50 on some minor
piece of
equipment.

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.

"Jim Vincent" wrote in message
:

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.




Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the "seller" has removed it
completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work
are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I
can assure you, you _really_ don't want to get into.... (read: Pain In
The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay
them. Or don't use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA

"01-- Zero One" wrote in message . ..
"Jim Vincent" wrote in message :

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.




Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the "seller" has removed it completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I can assure you, you _really_ don't want to get into.... (read: Pain In The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay them. Or don't use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA









I already have the older version. What you're not grasping is someone wants to sell their copy to me. They recoup some of their expense, and I save a little money. A well designed software easily tracks the number of users and licensees.

Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the seller has removed it
completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work
are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I
can assure you, you _really_ dont want to get into.... (read: Pain In
The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay
them. Or dont use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA










I already have the older version. What you're not grasping is someone
wants to sell their copy to me. They recoup some of their expense, and
I save a little money. A well designed software easily tracks the
number of users and licensees.





Jim,



This seems to me to be a non-issue. I very well grasp that someone
wants to sell you something that he does not have the right to sell. It
is just not right to do so.



Since you have an older version already, you can purchase an upgrade to
the latest version at a substantially reduced price.



Zero One

USA

At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:

'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key
specific to one user.

A license is personal and not transferable; try to
borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement with
SeeYou.

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
...
At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:

'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key
specific to one user.

A license is personal and not transferable; try to
borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement with
SeeYou.


A Driver's license is a totally different issue and not related here. Go
buy MS and you can transfer the license.