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You cannot dig in a tire, it either hydroplanes or it doesn't.

It can hit a wave.

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You cannot dig in a tire, it either hydroplanes or it doesn't.

It can hit a wave.

Personally, I see all kinds of bad Karma associated with this stunt.
If one is to consider just the predictable outcome when performing it, the
downside would absolutely have to take in the water surface condition ALL
THROUGH the ski run as well as the engine remaining stable ALL THROUGH the
run,
It's just something I wouldn't recommend doing or would ever attempt myself.
As Erwin Schrodinger once said so aptly, " This is something I'd really
rather not take a superposition on" :-)
Dudley Henriques

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You cannot dig in a tire, it either hydroplanes or it doesn't.


No problem if the aircraft is stabilized, but if the engine even coughs, all
the powers in heaven wouldn't keep a T6 planed on the wheels.



I disagree. The T6 will require a certain speed to stay on plane. If
you are well above that speed a cough in the engine won't suddenly slow
you down below that speed. There's not that much drag in the water.
You will probably suck the seat right up your ass however.

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You cannot dig in a tire, it either hydroplanes or it doesn't.


No problem if the aircraft is stabilized, but if the engine even coughs,
all the powers in heaven wouldn't keep a T6 planed on the wheels.



I disagree. The T6 will require a certain speed to stay on plane. If you
are well above that speed a cough in the engine won't suddenly slow you
down below that speed. There's not that much drag in the water. You will
probably suck the seat right up your ass however.

I respect your right to disagree :-)
Dudley Henriques

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No problem if the aircraft is stabilized, but if the engine even coughs,
all the powers in heaven wouldn't keep a T6 planed on the wheels.



I disagree. The T6 will require a certain speed to stay on plane. If you
are well above that speed a cough in the engine won't suddenly slow you
down below that speed. There's not that much drag in the water. You will
probably suck the seat right up your ass however.

Oh, now THERE'S a great mental image!


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Colorado Springs, CO

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You cannot dig in a tire, it either hydroplanes or it doesn't.


No problem if the aircraft is stabilized, but if the engine even coughs,
all the powers in heaven wouldn't keep a T6 planed on the wheels.



I disagree. The T6 will require a certain speed to stay on plane. If
you are well above that speed a cough in the engine won't suddenly slow
you down below that speed. There's not that much drag in the water. You
will probably suck the seat right up your ass however.

I respect your right to disagree :-)

But will you respect it in the morning?

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Matt Barrow
Performace Homes, LLC.
Colorado Springs, CO

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I respect your right to disagree :-)

But will you respect it in the morning?

We used T6's quite often in my operation and I've got a ton of time in the
airplane. It's not the cleanest thing in town aerodynamically by a long shot
:-)) Although it's obviously true you can put the tires of a T6 ( and other
airplanes as well from what I hear) in the water as these guys are doing, no
matter what speed you would be using to plane the tires, if you had an
engine problem during the run with the tires in the water, I'd be willing to
bet the ranch the aircraft would settle in so fast due to parasite drag that
you would cartwheel it in for sure.
The T6 is a drag queen and slows down REAL fast when the power comes back.
Of course this is just my personal read on this stunt. The guys doing it are
top sticks and I'm sure know the risks involved. If I'm not mistaken, one of
them, Scully Levin, is a 20K plus driver with literally a ton of experience
flying just about anything with wings on it.
Pilots like this do these things knowing full well what might happen. They
love this kind of stuff :-)) I've spent my entire life around people like
this. They're some of the finest and most capable pilots you would find on
the planet.
The bottom line on doing things like this stunt is that you do it because
you like the work.
The chance that the work can bite you in the ass someday is simply part of
the accepted risk.
Dudley Henriques

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I respect your right to disagree :-)
But will you respect it in the morning?

We used T6's quite often in my operation and I've got a ton of time in the
airplane. It's not the cleanest thing in town aerodynamically by a long shot
:-)) Although it's obviously true you can put the tires of a T6 ( and other
airplanes as well from what I hear) in the water as these guys are doing, no
matter what speed you would be using to plane the tires, if you had an
engine problem during the run with the tires in the water, I'd be willing to
bet the ranch the aircraft would settle in so fast due to parasite drag that
you would cartwheel it in for sure.
The T6 is a drag queen and slows down REAL fast when the power comes back.
Of course this is just my personal read on this stunt. The guys doing it are
top sticks and I'm sure know the risks involved. If I'm not mistaken, one of
them, Scully Levin, is a 20K plus driver with literally a ton of experience
flying just about anything with wings on it.

I suspect it also depends a fair bit on what the pitch change is with
power change in the T6. I'm assuming as with most conventional
airplanes that the loss of propwash on the tail would likely also cause
a nearly immediate pitch down which only complicates the problem with
speed loss due to the high drag of the airplane.

Matt

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I suspect it also depends a fair bit on what the pitch change is with
power change in the T6. I'm assuming as with most conventional airplanes
that the loss of propwash on the tail would likely also cause a nearly
immediate pitch down which only complicates the problem with speed loss
due to the high drag of the airplane.

Matt

I would look for an immediate mushdown into the water at some downward angle
determined by the exact speed and angle of attack involved as the engine
quit followed almost immediately behind that with a nose down pitch rate,
both of which I would imagine would ruin your entire day.
All these "ragged edge" stunts are fine as long as every single facet of the
aerodynamics remains in balance. This one definitely goes in my bag of
"Russian roulette" tricks to be avoided.
It's like anything else associated with down low tricks, stunts, and acro.
The lower you get, the narrower the error margin becomes. You can be sharp
as a tack on Saturday afternoon at 150 feet and get away with a super slow
roll on takeoff. You can also be the same "sharp as a tack" at 75 feet on
Sunday morning doing the same thing again and kill yourself because you
weren't RAZOR SHARP as a tack instead.
There is always the chance of an engine sputtering or failing while engaged
in this type of work. Most pilots including me give themselves just a little
bit of room in case something goes wrong up front. Those who take the
airplane into an area where they don't have that little bit of room to
wiggle are now completely dependent on the engine NOT failing them during
the time the stunt is running.
It's a dangerous game, and many have died playing it.
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

There is always the chance of an engine sputtering or failing while
engaged in this type of work. Most pilots including me give themselves
just a little bit of room in case something goes wrong up front. Those who
take the airplane into an area where they don't have that little bit of
room to wiggle are now completely dependent on the engine NOT failing them
during the time the stunt is running.
It's a dangerous game, and many have died playing it.

About how fast do you suppose they are going, and how much above stall are
they?

I would think that if they were a comfortable margin above stall, they might
be able to pull quickly enough (that is the big "if" I guess) to get a
"zoom" up off the water; at least a few dozen feet.

Of course, if it is more than a quick stutter, they will be right back where
they started, doing a cartwheel, very soon ... anyway. :-(

At that speed, I know water is mighty hard, but I'll guess that it very well
could be a survivable impact, as long as you did not lose consciousness, and
were able to get out fairly quickly. The plane would sure be a mess,
though.

I'm prob'ly with you. More than an acceptable risk. It sure looks like a
good rush, though! g
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