Nellis on the Blocks (The upcoming 2005 Base Realignment And Closure)

"S. Sampson" wrote:

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering

The two ranges being expanded (electronically) are Cold Lake, Alberta,
and Goose Bay, Labrador. Both offer the same as Las Vegas, with none
of the politics. The communities support the ranges.

Goose Bay brings politics of its own; the local Innu are ****ed off
because low-flying stresses the caribou herds on which they depend for
food, or so they believe.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Hi

I was at Goose Bay for four years. The low level flying was never an
issue until some bleeding heart left wing liberal tree huggers took it
upon themselves to go on a crusade on behalf of the Innu. These
'misguided' individuals were nothing but a bunch of **** disturbers,
most of whom had never heard of Goose Bay before. The George River
Caribou herd (the largest herd in the world, estimated at more that
800,000 animals) is the largest it has been in many years. The
existence of the NATO low level flying training program is the economic
foundation of the region. Without it, the region would die an agonizing
death.

Cheers...Chris

av8r wrote:

I was at Goose Bay for four years. The low level flying was never an
issue until some bleeding heart left wing liberal tree huggers took it
upon themselves to go on a crusade on behalf of the Innu. These
'misguided' individuals were nothing but a bunch of **** disturbers,
most of whom had never heard of Goose Bay before. The George River
Caribou herd (the largest herd in the world, estimated at more that
800,000 animals) is the largest it has been in many years. The
existence of the NATO low level flying training program is the economic
foundation of the region. Without it, the region would die an agonizing
death.

I'll be sure to inquire while I'm there next week.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"av8r" wrote in message
...
| Hi
|
| I was at Goose Bay for four years. The low level flying was never an
| issue until some bleeding heart left wing liberal tree huggers took it
| upon themselves to go on a crusade on behalf of the Innu. These
| 'misguided' individuals were nothing but a bunch of **** disturbers,
| most of whom had never heard of Goose Bay before. The George River
| Caribou herd (the largest herd in the world, estimated at more that
| 800,000 animals) is the largest it has been in many years. The
| existence of the NATO low level flying training program is the economic
| foundation of the region. Without it, the region would die an agonizing
| death.
|
| Cheers...Chris




Surely the exercises would pose _some_ additional risk to the Caribou - the
taller ones at least.




Cheers

Dave Kearton

If Nellis is a shock, what about Rosy Rds.?

"CFA3" wrote in message
om...
I recently read a report about the next round of base closures, and
was quite surprized to see NELLIS AFB on the list. In many ways I can
see it, in that it is nearly completely encroached upon by Vegas
growth and the size, being relatively small. Currently, there are
issues of security, as well, since you can walk right up to the fence
on the north end and practicaly spit on the a/c as they fly overhead.
(Not that this patriot would do such a thing of course).

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering




C3
http://groomlakeaudubonsociety.netfirms.com

Between the noise-whiners and the real estate developers unless a base
is needed for vital defense reasons it's soon a goner. Look at the
earlier ones to get the axe. George AFB was in a great location -
chop! Hamilton - chop.
I wonder how long Luke will last. As for Goose Bay and Cold Lake -
madness! It's cold up there!
Walt BJ

"Walt BJ" wrote

. As for Goose Bay and Cold Lake - madness! It's cold up there!

I went up to Cold Lake in the winter, and it was sort of like Iceland.
Not much snow on the ground, but your nose freezes and then you
hear this cracking sound in your head :-) I didn't think it was as bad
as Minot though. I think Minot was the only place I ever wore my
nomex long johns... The food on-base was pretty bad (I found a
button in my mashed potatoes), and downtown is completely unlike
Vegas :-) No threat of a Tailhook convention up there.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:55:43 GMT, "S. Sampson" wrote:

"Walt BJ" wrote

. As for Goose Bay and Cold Lake - madness! It's cold up there!

I went up to Cold Lake in the winter, and it was sort of like Iceland.
Not much snow on the ground, but your nose freezes and then you
hear this cracking sound in your head :-) I didn't think it was as bad
as Minot though. I think Minot was the only place I ever wore my
nomex long johns... The food on-base was pretty bad (I found a
button in my mashed potatoes), and downtown is completely unlike
Vegas :-) No threat of a Tailhook convention up there.

If you think Minot was bad you should have been at Glasgow.G

Hi Walt

Why is it that these NIMBY's build a house under the flight path of an
airport and then they complain of the noise. What the hell did they
expect. How frigging stupid are they. Ah, don't answer that I know
already! There are lots of airports in danger of having air ops
severely restricted as a result of housing developers slowly encroaching
on them. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for these idiots.

The Goose can still get pretty nippy in the winter. I was up there from
64 to 67 as an Air Force Brat, then again in 78 with the Air Force and
and been up four times on TDY since 92. It is not as cold as say 30 or
40 years ago when it used to get regular temperatures of 30 below zero.
It's a raw damp cold too. Back then the average annual snow fall was 14
feet. the big reservoir to the west as tempered the harsh WX somewhat.

When were you at on the Goose Walt?

Cheers...Chris

"Walt BJ" wrote in message
om...
Between the noise-whiners and the real estate developers unless a base
is needed for vital defense reasons it's soon a goner. Look at the
earlier ones to get the axe. George AFB was in a great location -
chop! Hamilton - chop.
I wonder how long Luke will last. As for Goose Bay and Cold Lake -
madness! It's cold up there!
Walt BJ


Your right Walt, but its a dry cold :-))

BMC