ACLU sues Jeppesen for Flights

"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote in message
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Robert Barker wrote:
hold Jeppesen responsible for running a torture chamber too.

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Perhaps they're using this suit to get information under "discovery" to
find
out what the CIA is really up to. Then when they get the info, they'll
drop
the suit and go after the real perps...

This current administration has been consistently expanding the power of
the
executive thru a bizarre flurry of signing statements and other policy
decisions that severely threaten our rights under the constitution.

As compared with his predecessor, the top "Executive Orders" issuer, who
didn't have even a single minor crisis during his regime?

On 2007-06-05 10:24:22 -0700, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe said:

Robert Barker wrote:
hold Jeppesen responsible for running a torture chamber too.

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Perhaps they're using this suit to get information under "discovery" to find
out what the CIA is really up to. Then when they get the info, they'll drop
the suit and go after the real perps...

This current administration has been consistently expanding the power of the
executive thru a bizarre flurry of signing statements and other policy
decisions that severely threaten our rights under the constitution. It is
chilling to think Bush is applying his own interpretations to presented
legislation. A weaker mind / character in the presidency has never been.
It is agreed in most rational and civilized frames of belief that kidnapping
and torture are unacceptable.

This is bizarre. No one is claiming that the Bush administration
kidnapped or tortured the plaintiffs in this case.

Extraordinary rendition is simply returning criminals to trial in
countries that we have no extradition agreement with. It is nothing
new; every administration since the foundation of the republic has done
this. Every country does it.

It is incumbent on civilized countries to determine that persons being
sent to another country for trial without extradition will not be
mistreated. Whether the Bush administration has met its obligation
there is unknown; Jeppesen has no way of knowing what agreements we
have with countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan or how well those
agreements are being kept. In fact, they have no way of knowing the
purpose of these flights at all.

What, you want to sue the fuel companies, too? The line guy that filled
the tanks? The people that made the airplane's instruments?

This is nothing more than an attempt by the ACLU to extort money from
people who acted in good faith. The extraordinary renditions have been
held by the Supreme Court to be legal -- the ACLU lost there, so they
are taking it out on private businesses. It is nothing less than a
blatant attempt to subvert the actions of a democratically elected
government through extortion.

These lawsuits cost a lot of money. The ACLU is attempting to stop a
war it disagrees with by attacking the civil rights of ordinary
citizens. It is doing something far worse than Bush was ever accused of.

This is a simple moral issue.

It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is
engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by
private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled,
even obligated, to perform. ACLU is attempting to punish people and
deprive them of their civil rights because of its political
disagreements with the current administration.

However, the
criminal constituency of our current administration has run amok under an
hysterical cry of "the war on terror". expletive deleted...
kidnapping and torture is
terrorism.

ACLU is the one engaging in immoral activities here.

If you believe that it is OK to torture other humans for reasons you think
are appropriate, remember that the same inquisitors will use similar methods
of logic to single you out for extermination when they are ready. The
continuing erosion of our civil rights are setting the stage for that
eventuality.

The ACLU is seeking discovery thru the channels that are most likely to
produce.

Ah. The end justifies the means, eh? You are beginning to sound just
like what you say the Bush administration is.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
It certainly is. Extortion and blackmail are wrong, and the ACLU is
engaging in these activities. Jeppesen is a private company, run by
private citizens, performing services that they are legally entitled,
even obligated, to perform.

No, Jepp is NOT a private company. Boeing is a publicly traded corporation,
in which anyone may purchase stock. It is a public corporation,
incorporated in Delaware, stock symbol BA.

Normally I don't have a problem with the intent of the ACLU...they champion
the underdogs that most people hate, simply because some underdog someday
might be worthy of a champion. (The civil rights movement comes to mind.)

But...

....that's just stupid. It's actually worse than stupid, though, because
it's going to tangle Jeppesen up in a legal battle it doesn't deserve. Do
you suppose they'd sue United for carrying terrorist hijackers?

-c

gatt wrote:
Normally I don't have a problem with the intent of the ACLU...they
champion the underdogs that most people hate, simply because some
underdog someday might be worthy of a champion. (The civil rights
movement comes to mind.)
But...

...that's just stupid. It's actually worse than stupid, though,
because it's going to tangle Jeppesen up in a legal battle it doesn't
deserve. Do you suppose they'd sue United for carrying terrorist
hijackers?
-c


My problem with the ACLU is they promote themselves as defenders of the Bill
of Rights. Yet they are very selective of what rights they defend.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
gatt wrote:
Normally I don't have a problem with the intent of the ACLU...they
champion the underdogs that most people hate, simply because some
underdog someday might be worthy of a champion. (The civil rights
movement comes to mind.)
But...

...that's just stupid. It's actually worse than stupid, though,
because it's going to tangle Jeppesen up in a legal battle it doesn't
deserve. Do you suppose they'd sue United for carrying terrorist
hijackers?
-c


My problem with the ACLU is they promote themselves as defenders of the Bill
of Rights. Yet they are very selective of what rights they defend.

That's for sure. They are about the most hypocritical organization around.

Matt

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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gatt wrote:
Normally I don't have a problem with the intent of the ACLU...they
champion the underdogs that most people hate, simply because some
underdog someday might be worthy of a champion. (The civil rights
movement comes to mind.)

Absolute BULL****. Dig into their origins and find what a fraud they were
and pretty much still are (past their sedate PR crap).

But...


My problem with the ACLU is they promote themselves as defenders of the
Bill of Rights. Yet they are very selective of what rights they defend.

Which is emblematic of their origins, and their original (and even today)
purpose.

I suspect you DO know what they were, don't you?

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Normally I don't have a problem with the intent of the ACLU...they
champion the underdogs that most people hate, simply because some
underdog someday might be worthy of a champion. (The civil rights
movement comes to mind.)

Absolute BULL****.

Okay. I guess we're done here.

Which is emblematic of their origins, and their original (and even today)
purpose.

I suspect you DO know what they were, don't you?

Oh jesus, you're not going to start spouting "Red Scare" crap are you?
Spare us. Communism (on a large scale) is dead.

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Kloudy via AviationKB.com wrote:
Which is emblematic of their origins, and their original (and even
today) purpose.

I suspect you DO know what they were, don't you?

Oh jesus, you're not going to start spouting "Red Scare" crap are you?
Spare us. Communism (on a large scale) is dead.

But those that support socialism and would like to see it in place in this
country are, unfortunately, not.