ENvironmentally Friendly Inter City Aircraft powered by Fuel Cells

wrote:


Hi Bob,

As another American engineer, I'm in agreement with you 100%. Our
government is allowing, no incentivizing our corporations to take our
jobs overseas to China and India to save on salaries, medical, and
taxes.

Then wouldn't it be logicaol that government try to reduce taxes...
or do other types of things to "incentivize" them to stay here?


Then, when these same companies want to repatriate their U.S.
dollars, they get a special tax break cut for them by congress. Then,
because even college grads in engineering don't want to work for
peanuts, they claim that there is an "engineering shortage" because
they can't fill job requisitions that they post at below starting
salary market wages and scream to raise the H1-B visa limits so they
can bring in more slave-labor body shopper engineers from India and
China.

Really good engineers can pretty much name their own salary.
I've interviewed dozens that put a lot of buzz words on a resume and
really didn't know squat.


There is something seriously wrong with our country when an MBA
managing a Target or Walmart can make twice as much annually as an
engineering desiging multi-million dollar revenue generating
products. If this keeps up, more and more college age kids are going
to avoid this profession and corporations will get the shortage that
they are claiming. I know there is no shortage right now because
100's of good engineers are being let go by companies like HP as
recently as May 31. "Early retirement" at 48 years old? Yeah,
right...


sheesh... whine whine whine....

kontiki wrote:
Really good engineers can pretty much name their own salary.
I've interviewed dozens that put a lot of buzz words on a resume and
really didn't know squat.

What engineering discipline are you trained and licensed in?

"kontiki" == kontiki writes:
kontiki Then wouldn't it be logicaol that government try to
kontiki reduce taxes... or do other types of things to
kontiki "incentivize" them to stay here?

Probably not. America reached a technology peak in the 1960s, with
very high involvement by the feds and states (California at least) in
science and tech. There are lots of things that only governments can
properly take a risk with.
--
When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future,
don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a
fossil.
- Jack Handey

On Jun 6, 3:25 pm, kontiki wrote:

Really good engineers can pretty much name their own salary.
I've interviewed dozens that put a lot of buzz words on a resume and
really didn't know squat.


If you or anyone else who actually hires engineers has anything
constructive to say about
the holes in American engineering education, as one of the people who
can actually do
something about it, I want to hear the suggestions.

Please note that for email contact, I'm now at cal state northridge
(csun) rather than utdallas.

RW Mehler, Ph.D.
Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering
California State University Northridge

Recently, Bob Fry posted:

To actually solve a problem, regardless of money, takes insight and a
modicum of intelligence. As an American and engineer I'm seeing less
and less of both here, and it ****es me off. But we got about half
the country thinking our decline is caused because the other half
doesn't pray. Science? Engineering? Rational thought? That's for
the weird-sounding foreigns, 4-eyed geeks, and far-left libs. No, we
just need to return to God and Jesus and everything will be fine.

One of the most disappointing thing about last night's Republican "debate"
was the number of candidates that are completely clueless about what
science is and is not. At least Mitt Romney acknowledged that science and
religion are not in opposition to one another, but he then went off on a
tangent that completely failed to separate religious concepts from
learning the discipline of science. It left me with the impression that if
a Republican administration is elected from this bunch, we'll be
hopelessly bogged down in ignorance that, if nothing else, will lessen the
likelihood that their "Apollo Project" to solve our energy needs and
reduce global warming could ever become a reality. We won't accomplish
such a thing by praying for it.

Neil

Neil Gould wrote:

One of the most disappointing thing about last night's Republican "debate"
was the number of candidates that are completely clueless about what
science is and is not.

Oh I totally agree... and so are all the democrat candidates. Most
of your politicians in Washington are totally cluless about a lot
of things, not just technology. We need some fresh meat/// people
who have held actual real jobs, or run companies.

At least Mitt Romney acknowledged that science and
religion are not in opposition to one another, but he then went off on a
tangent that completely failed to separate religious concepts from
learning the discipline of science. It left me with the impression that if
a Republican administration is elected from this bunch, we'll be
hopelessly bogged down in ignorance that, if nothing else, will lessen the
likelihood that their "Apollo Project" to solve our energy needs and
reduce global warming could ever become a reality. We won't accomplish
such a thing by praying for it.


Agreed. I see no one... from either party... who is worth voting
for. Like I said... We need some fresh meat. Fire every damn one
of 'em and start over. We certainly couldn't do any worse than
what we have now.

"kontiki" wrote in message ...


Agreed. I see no one... from either party... who is worth voting
for. Like I said... We need some fresh meat. Fire every damn one
of 'em and start over. We certainly couldn't do any worse than
what we have now.

Interesting campaign he http://payattention.org/

Recently, kontiki posted:

Neil Gould wrote:

One of the most disappointing thing about last night's Republican
"debate" was the number of candidates that are completely clueless
about what science is and is not.

Oh I totally agree... and so are all the democrat candidates. Most
of your politicians in Washington are totally cluless about a lot
of things, not just technology. We need some fresh meat/// people
who have held actual real jobs, or run companies.

Considering how many companies are run, I don't think that would help
much. Take a look at the US auto industry for a hint of how to do things
stupidly. They only had a couple of decades to get a clue.

Neil

Bob Fry wrote:


Really?? Rather, anybody can throw money at a problem, and...keep
throwing money at it. Like sending a flight loads of ca$h to Iraq
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1734939,00.html and many
other refs].


Bob... give me six million dollars and I will make a small electric
plane that flies with a fuel cell.

Will it be cost effective? who knows. Will anyone want it?

To actually solve a problem, regardless of money, takes insight and a
modicum of intelligence. As an American and engineer I'm seeing less
and less of both here, and it ****es me off. But we got about half
the country thinking our decline is caused because the other half
doesn't pray. Science? Engineering? Rational thought? That's for
the weird-sounding foreigns, 4-eyed geeks, and far-left libs. No, we
just need to return to God and Jesus and everything will be fine.


I'm an engineer too Bob. Taxpayers have spent many millions for
special development projects over the years. What I would find
interesting is to know if any of them ever made a dime out of
their "investment".

When you have to convince a group of private investers to put
up a lot of money for R&D of a potential new product you have
to do a lot of homewrok to convince them that what you are
doing will end up a viable product.

"kontiki" == kontiki writes:
kontiki I'm an engineer too Bob. Taxpayers have spent many
kontiki millions for special development projects over the
kontiki years. What I would find interesting is to know if any of
kontiki them ever made a dime out of their "investment".

You aren't much of an engineer if you don't know the origin of the
Internet, just one example to your implied question above.

kontiki When you have to convince a group of private investers to
kontiki put up a lot of money for R&D of a potential new product
kontiki you have to do a lot of homewrok to convince them that
kontiki what you are doing will end up a viable product.

And you don't understand the origins of engineering either. You think
private is going to invest in fundamental science discovery?

Private investment and companies have a place. Government has a
place. What doesn't have a place in an industrial, or post-industrial,
democratic society is leaders ignorant of the scientific process,
unable and unwilling to try to understand other opinions, and
examine--or even acknowledge--that other countries are doing well for
their people without all the dogmatism and blind faith crap. But that
requires using the frontal cortex, an energy-intensive activity, and
strange to the back-slapping, glad-handing bozos so often running
things now.
--
If you are a happy employee does that make you 'gruntled' ?
- Jack Handey