Pilots flying into Oregon must register with the state!?

Since I live on the East coast, I think I'd feel fairly safe at blowing them
off, even if I ever did fly in their state. What are they going to do? Send
federal marshals?

Well, if you blow them off, you can be identified as a Threat To
National Security. So, yes, they could send in the marshals, and do
much worse, before it's overturned.

Jose
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There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to
know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when
they push the button.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Well I have landed in Oregon many times, I never knew anything about this. I
can tell you this I bought a lot of gas and they got the taxes from that. I
am going to call it even.
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"Bob Gardner" wrote:
This is not aimed at itinerant pilots...Washington has a similar rule.
It is parallel to the rule about registering automobiles after 60
days.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any terminology that excludes transient or
itinerant pilots. I see nothing anywhere in the statute that qualifies
the sentence "Nonresidents operating within this state, other than in a
commercial operation, shall register with the department within 60 days
of the date of arrival within the state," to yield the meaning you claim
it has.

The legislative intent may have been one thing, but the wording in the
law seems to say another.

By the way, if you have a link or reference to the Washington law that
would help me understand whether the text of Oregon statute is "unique."


Bob Gardner

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe I'm misreading this, but it looks to me like Oregon requires
any general aviation pilot who flies into or through Oregon must then
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days.
Unless they have some other meaning for "operating"? Likewise, in all
the material I've ever read on acquiring a pilot certificate, this is
the first time I've read that there are additional state
requirements! How many states have laws like this? Here's the text of
the law and links to the entire context for anyone who can help me
understand what this really means:

"837.020 Registration of pilots; renewal. (1) In the interest of
public safety and the safety of those people traveling by air or
receiving aviation instruction, every pilot operating within this
state shall register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60
days of issuance of any appropriate effective federal certificate,
permit, rating or license relating to competency as a pilot except
that student pilots shall register prior to their first solo flight.
A nonresident pilot of a scheduled or nonscheduled airline,
certificated by the appropriate federal agency, is not required to
register under the provisions of this section unless the nonresident
pilot engages in the piloting of aircraft other than such
certificated operation. Nonresidents operating within this state,
other than in a commercial operation, shall register with the
department within 60 days of the date of arrival within the state.
Pilots operating commercially shall register prior to any commercial
operation.

(2) Every registered pilot shall renew the first registration on
the anniversary of the pilot's birthdate. After the first renewal,
each pilot shall renew registration on the anniversary of the pilot's
birthdate in the first year of each two-year period thereafter in
which the pilot is active as a pilot.

(3) Every registered pilot shall notify the department in
writing
within 30 days of a change of address or name. The notification shall
contain the old and new residence address or name and the pilot
registration number. [Formerly 493.040; 1991 c.186 §1]

837.025 Requirements for pilot registration; fees; certificates.
(1) Possession of the appropriate effective federal certificate,
permit, rating or license relating to competency of the pilot and
payment of a fee of $8 for initial registration and $16 for each
renewal of registration shall be the requisite for registration of
the pilot under ORS 837.020. A filing of a written statement
containing the information reasonably required by the Oregon
Department of Aviation is sufficient to effect a registration. No
originals or copies of federal certificates, permits, ratings or
licenses shall be required of the applicant. Duplicate certificates
of pilot registration may be obtained upon proof of loss or
destruction of the original by application therefor to the department
and the payment of $5 for each additional certificate.

(2) The department may issue certificates of registration and
may
prescribe requirements for possession and exhibition of such
certificates.

(3) Information submitted in any application for registration is
a
public record and is open to public inspection during normal office
hours. [Formerly 493.050; 1991 c.206 §1; 1997 c.585 §3]"

http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/837.html
http://www.oregon.gov/Aviation/registration.shtml

On Jun 10, 8:42 pm, Jose wrote:
Since I live on the East coast, I think I'd feel fairly safe at blowing them
off, even if I ever did fly in their state. What are they going to do? Send
federal marshals?

Well, if you blow them off, you can be identified as a Threat To
National Security. So, yes, they could send in the marshals, and do
much worse, before it's overturned.

Yea, at some point the scribe will bring a copy of the constitution to
Oregon and they'll read the interstate commerce clause.

-Robert

Jim Logajan wrote:


"837.020 Registration of pilots; renewal. (1) In the interest of public
safety and the safety of those people traveling by air or receiving
aviation instruction, every pilot operating within this state shall
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days of
issuance of any appropriate effective federal certificate, permit, rating
or license relating to competency as a pilot except that student pilots
shall register prior to their first solo flight. A nonresident pilot of a
scheduled or nonscheduled airline, certificated by the appropriate
federal agency, is not required to register under the provisions of this
section unless the nonresident pilot engages in the piloting of aircraft
other than such certificated operation. Nonresidents operating within
this state, other than in a commercial operation, shall register with the
department within 60 days of the date of arrival within the state. Pilots
operating commercially shall register prior to any commercial operation.



As a resident of Oregon for 37+ years I will chime in here. If a pilot
lives here and flys he/she must register and pay the 8$ a year. If you
live out of state and keep a plane here you must pay. If you live out of
state and get some instruction here (even a BFR) you gotta pay. If your
just passin thru, wave, and don't sweat it, no one is going to hunt you
down (unless you crash here). BTW the money gets used for S&R ONLY not
paychecks for the politicians.......

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:47:41 -0700, "Bob Gardner"
wrote in :

This is not aimed at itinerant pilots...

Perhaps that's true, but the way I interpret it, that's not what the
law says:

Nonresidents operating within this state, other than in a
commercial operation, shall register with the department within 60
days of the date of arrival within the state. Pilots operating
commercially shall register prior to any commercial operation.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:01:29 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote in :


And oh yeah, you have to inform them of every address change.

Not only that, the pilot's address is a matter of public record. It
was only a few years ago that we got the FAA to remove the addresses
of those airmen who requested it from public record.

Imagine if all 50 states had this law and a pilot's flying happened
to take her to all 50 states:

Aside from fifty letters of registration, she would have to pay
$400.00 annually.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:09:22 -0700, Rocky wrote in
:


As a resident of Oregon for 37+ years I will chime in here. If a pilot
lives here and flys he/she must register and pay the 8$ a year. If you
live out of state and keep a plane here you must pay. If you live out of
state and get some instruction here (even a BFR) you gotta pay. If your
just passin thru, wave, and don't sweat it, no one is going to hunt you
down (unless you crash here).

And you support such absurdity?

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:39:18 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:01:29 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote in :


And oh yeah, you have to inform them of every address change.

Not only that, the pilot's address is a matter of public record. It
was only a few years ago that we got the FAA to remove the addresses
of those airmen who requested it from public record.

Imagine if all 50 states had this law and a pilot's flying happened
to take her to all 50 states:

Aside from fifty letters of registration, she would have to pay
$400.00 annually.

in australia the proportion of pilots to the general public is 1:768
usa has 350,000,000 people.
say 455,700 pilots.

imagine the processing nightmare if 400,000 pilots registered all with
a dud cheque.
you couldnt assume that they were all dud so the processing would be
enormous :-)

beware of what you wish for in case you get it in spades paraphrases
an old chinese proverb that I'm partial to.

Stealth Pilot

Jose wrote:
Since I live on the East coast, I think I'd feel fairly safe at
blowing them off, even if I ever did fly in their state. What are
they going to do? Send federal marshals?

Well, if you blow them off, you can be identified as a Threat To
National Security. So, yes, they could send in the marshals, and do
much worse, before it's overturned.

Jose

Well since this is a state law I doubt federal marshals would have any
interest at all.

Bob Gardner wrote:
This is not aimed at itinerant pilots...Washington has a similar
rule. It is parallel to the rule about registering automobiles after
60 days.
Bob Gardner

The way it is written it is parallel to a requirement to register your
automobile if you drive through the state.