Airline refuses to land with killer on board, worries about costs

A,

Gauntanamo and 'rendering' etc seems to be eroding precepts,


The understatement of the day...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Sometimes there is hope, however. Where we live, in Durham NC, the NC
bar association came down hard on Durham County DA Mike Nifong because
he ignored the presumption of innocence. His disbarment is the most
severe measure the association can take against him.

Mifong's problems are just starting. Now there is likely to be civil
and criminal charges brought against him.

My husband and I hope to soon to have the place where we live known
for its science and medicine, and not a rogue DA.



On Jun 17, 3:37 am, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
A,

Gauntanamo and 'rendering' etc seems to be eroding precepts,

The understatement of the day...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

wrote in message
oups.com...
Sometimes there is hope, however. Where we live, in Durham NC, the NC
bar association came down hard on Durham County DA Mike Nifong because
he ignored the presumption of innocence. His disbarment is the most
severe measure the association can take against him.

Mifong's problems are just starting. Now there is likely to be civil
and criminal charges brought against him.

My husband and I hope to soon to have the place where we live known
for its science and medicine, and not a rogue DA.



You do understand that Durham and Duke existed for decades only because of
profits from growing tobacco and selling cigarettes, a bit of an
equivocating issue in your moral stance.....

.....and youall did elect the guy, so don't disclaim responsibility. The
lawsuits by the lacrosse players will be against the county, and you as
taxpayers will have to pay for the defense and any settlements. They may
sue the exDA personally, but his pockets are likely shallow, whereas the
County (if he was the County DA, as in most states) will be the deep pocket
defendant in civil actions.

The local paper hasn't mentioned that?

TMO

Without a doubt the medical research being done at Duke Hospital will
never outweigh the damage tobacco has done, but it's a step in the
right direction.

Of course Nifong was elected, but like some other people not by a
majority of us. The good news, as I've stated, is there has been a
correction. It's not the total answer and n3ever will be, but part of
it.

Even better is that now in this state, ad I hope elsewhere, it's
recognized that although the Duke players 'won' because their families
had the resources to defende them, others with less deserve the same
treatment. Part of the language heard in our courts is "to be
Nifonged" and juries are listening.

Any civil judgements leveled against him, by the way, will be his
problem. The protection and pockets of the taxpayers are protected
here because he did not act in good faith. He is VERY exposed.




On Jun 17, 11:54 am, "TMOliver" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

Sometimes there is hope, however. Where we live, in Durham NC, the NC
bar association came down hard on Durham County DA Mike Nifong because
he ignored the presumption of innocence. His disbarment is the most
severe measure the association can take against him.

Mifong's problems are just starting. Now there is likely to be civil
and criminal charges brought against him.

My husband and I hope to soon to have the place where we live known
for its science and medicine, and not a rogue DA.

You do understand that Durham and Duke existed for decades only because of
profits from growing tobacco and selling cigarettes, a bit of an
equivocating issue in your moral stance.....

....and youall did elect the guy, so don't disclaim responsibility. The
lawsuits by the lacrosse players will be against the county, and you as
taxpayers will have to pay for the defense and any settlements. They may
sue the exDA personally, but his pockets are likely shallow, whereas the
County (if he was the County DA, as in most states) will be the deep pocket
defendant in civil actions.

The local paper hasn't mentioned that?

TMO

"A Mate" wrote ...

The individual in question is a SUSPECT!!!

Americans in these post 9/11 days have developed a propensity to forget
that one of the basic tenets of British based legal systems is the
Presumption of Innocence. Suspects are innocent until found guilty in a
Court of Law.

....and with a warrant for his arrest issued/arrived after he had been
allowed to board and the flight had flown off.

You do understand that even in British courts with the similar presumption
of innocence, warrants are issued for "suspects" as a matter of routine
unless they are standing on the steps of the police station, arms
out-stretched for the cuffs. Everybody arrested is a "suspect", and those
who attempt to flee jurisdictions may (under both of our legal systems) be
held without bail.

As for being overwrought about GITMO, you do remember that back in 1945, the
UK and US didn't release all the German POWs at the end of hostilities.
Investigations and war crimes trials went on for several years.

Now, we might debate over which of the prisoners at GITMO were combatants,
since none had uniforms, but neither of us (and the Australian and other
troops in Afghanistan getting shot out/targeted by bombs) would allow that
the "war was over", so it seems to me, aside from those apprehended who
weren't combatants (and since 6 of those released earlier ended up showing
back up in Afghanistan and getting killed in combat, that's tough to
decide), I'm of the opinion we ought to simply follow precedent and keep'em,
GITMO being a nice warm place even in the winter (although they don't get to
use the pretty beach and the golf course (which I have, having been there
long ago with the Navy).

Are they mistreated? Accounts vary. They certainly are clothed, fed,
provided water and indoor plumbing, occasional showers, religious materials
and opportunity to practice the religion. None of the various outside
inspectors have managed to provide much if any evidence of "durance vile",
although keeping the prisoners separate and not allowing them a structured
military organization violates Geneva and other accords. Of course, nobody
wants to admit being a "senior officer", so allowing them to exist as part
of a military organization simply doesn't happen. Orange jump suits? Well,
unlike military prisoners in uniform (or who may be supplied replacement
uniforms by their own country), these folks had no uniforms, and no parent
military or country to send them uniforms. When assigned to duty aboard an
a/c in the Navy, I was issued (admittedly, a long time ago) an orange flight
suit to wear, same colors as those of the prisoners. I suppose we could
have issued them pink ones. Flip-flops? 'Bout right for GITMO's climate,
although you wouldn't want to run through the cactus in them.

I do recall that the wool Winter uniforms in which many German and Italian
prisoners were captured in weren't comfortable in the Texas Summers. I do
recall (as a youngster) seeing them working (the Italians with no fences,
and constantly escaping, not to go home, but to stay) in the fields clad in
US Army fatigues with big "P" stenciled on them. Were those more "legal" or
"suitable" than orange jump suits? I also recall the murderous riots (at an
island prison camp operated by the ROK and Allies, inc. Australia) among the
Korean war NK and Chinese POWs, busily murdering who didn't want to be
returned in droves. Prisoners are not always quiet, docile and
non-dangerous. The ones in GITMO are on the record pretty bad about
assaulting guards, throwing urine and feces, etc., not actions designed to
get you shipped home with a new set of clothes and a $10 bill...

TMO