ID Theft -- Courtesy of the FAA

Maybe it was the FBO itself trying to earn another buck.
Lou

On Jul 1, 3:53 am, James Robinson wrote:
You sure the FBO didn't simply mix up the N number in their records, and
are chasing the wrong person as a result?

I fervently hope some such thing is the case; that would be easier to
clear up than outright ID theft. As I said, the FBO's higher-ups
haven't been heard from yet -- maybe Monday.

On 2007-06-30 20:26:11 -0700, quietguy said:

His use of jet fuel is one thing
that will save me from having to pay for his travels. If he'd bought
100LL I might very well have been stuck for the tab; the FBO might
have argued that I'd used the not-yet-airborne tail-number to bolster
a fraudulent claim of identity theft after actually fueling a flyable
aircraft.

Pure nonsense. Federal laws limit your liability with stolen cards and
you have no liability at all for a fraudulent card. Peter cannot
collude with Paul to sell Paul 100 gallons of avgas (or anything else)
and make you pay for it. This is a fundamental point of common law -- a
third party cannot be bound by a contract between two other parties.

If the FBO pursued its claim against you, you would be able to sue them
for defamation, claim damages for fraud, and possibly press criminal
charges for conspiracy to defraud you.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Jul 1, 10:17 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
Pure nonsense. Federal laws limit your liability with stolen cards and
you have no liability at all for a fraudulent card.

Correct -- as I've since found out. I'm learning more by the minute
about ID theft and its repercussions.

I'm also confused by this. If the thief paid by credit card at a self-serve
pump, the FBO will get paid by the credit card company, no matter what.

I could understand the credit card company coming after you to pay, but that
doesn't sound like the case here. I'm with the other poster who guessed
that it's a billing error by the FBO and will be resolved on Monday.

Good Luck,
Dennis

On Jul 1, 12:37 pm, "Dennis Johnson" wrote:
I'm also confused by this. If the thief paid by credit card at a self-serve
pump, the FBO will get paid by the credit card company, no matter what.

I could understand the credit card company coming after you to pay, but that
doesn't sound like the case here. I'm with the other poster who guessed
that it's a billing error by the FBO and will be resolved on Monday.

Good Luck,
Dennis

Thanks for the kind wishes. This thing is really chapping my ass.
I'm a retired Air Force officer -- for twenty years my reputation
meant more to me than my life, and now I'm finding out that it still
may. I didn't sleep much last night.

There may not be a credit card company: crime rings manufacture pretty
good plastic blanks, complete with holograms, and they'll emboss and
encode them to your specs at, I'm told, a surprisingly low price --
especially if you're a high-volume customer. A gas-pump is a perfect
place to use such a fake.

I hope to God that this is just some innocent data-entry error. More
later.

"quietguy" wrote

There may not be a credit card company: crime rings manufacture pretty
good plastic blanks, complete with holograms, and they'll emboss and
encode them to your specs at, I'm told, a surprisingly low price --
especially if you're a high-volume customer. A gas-pump is a perfect
place to use such a fake.

My sister just had a Mastercard refused, and when she called to check about
it, they told her that they had frozen the account, because someone had just
tried to scan it to withdraw money twice, in Saudi Arabia.

She has no idea where they got her information, to counterfit a card. It
does happen, though.

I hope to God that this is just some innocent data-entry error. More
later.

Good luck, and I have confidence that it will turn out OK, but it will
undoubtedly will take some time to get straightened out.
--
Jim in NC

It may not have been the FAA- I had a call from a credit card company
regarding some fraudulent charges, and they called the same day! Some guy
bought some stuff in a Walmart in Chicago.

So, it can happen- without reading the whole thread, did you call your
credit card company and dispute the charges?

quietguy wrote:
On Jul 1, 12:37 pm, "Dennis Johnson" wrote:
I'm also confused by this. If the thief paid by credit card at a self-serve
pump, the FBO will get paid by the credit card company, no matter what.

I could understand the credit card company coming after you to pay, but that
doesn't sound like the case here. I'm with the other poster who guessed
that it's a billing error by the FBO and will be resolved on Monday.

Good Luck,
Dennis

Thanks for the kind wishes. This thing is really chapping my ass.
I'm a retired Air Force officer -- for twenty years my reputation
meant more to me than my life, and now I'm finding out that it still
may. I didn't sleep much last night.

There may not be a credit card company: crime rings manufacture pretty
good plastic blanks, complete with holograms, and they'll emboss and
encode them to your specs at, I'm told, a surprisingly low price --
especially if you're a high-volume customer. A gas-pump is a perfect
place to use such a fake.

I hope to God that this is just some innocent data-entry error. More
later.

I believe the issue can be resolved with minimal
expense and trouble.

So far, you have not been a victim of ID theft.

You may have been a victim of credit card fraud.
If the FBO verifies that a card of yours was
used, just call the 800 number on the back of
the card, explain the situation and they will
cancel it and send another one immediately. Over
the past 35 years, I've had to do this twice.
No big deal, minimal hassle.

If the FBO can't verify your credit card was
used, write a letter explaining why it wasn't you,
and send it Fedex Letter to the FBO owner. Keep
a copy and then forget about it.

"Dennis Johnson" wrote in message
. ..
I'm also confused by this. If the thief paid by credit card at a
self-serve pump, the FBO will get paid by the credit card company, no
matter what.

I could understand the credit card company coming after you to pay, but
that doesn't sound like the case here. I'm with the other poster who
guessed that it's a billing error by the FBO and will be resolved on
Monday.

Why would the FBO bill for something paid by CC (could happen, just not very
likely), as I believe that violates the rules that VISA, MC, AE, and the
rest, put down.