Cambridge FR, Sector OZ, Badges

Hi Dave,

Your 303 can indicate when you fly into a cylinder, but not when you fly
into a "photo sector".

Paul Remde

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On Jul 19, 11:01 am, wrote:
I understand the characteristics of the Sector OZ and the Cylinder OZ,
and for my badge flights, I would prefer to use the Sector OZ. An RAS
thread back in 2000 (before I started flying) seems to indicate that
Cambridge FRs are "hard wired" to the Cylinder OZ. I have a 302A CFR.
Does that mean I'm stuck with Cylinder OZ's, or can you "declare"
intent to use Sector OZs in some way when making badge flights?

TIA
Jim

My 302/303 will indicate sector entry when a task is active. I
believe it's a feature of the 303 only, but can't be sure. Although
based on the documentation for the 303, it is not compatible with the
302A. So you might be out of luck. You could contact the folks at
Cambridge to find out for sure.

Dave

On Jul 19, 12:01 pm, wrote:
I understand the characteristics of the Sector OZ and the Cylinder OZ,
and for my badge flights, I would prefer to use the Sector OZ. An RAS
thread back in 2000 (before I started flying) seems to indicate that
Cambridge FRs are "hard wired" to the Cylinder OZ. I have a 302A CFR.
Does that mean I'm stuck with Cylinder OZ's, or can you "declare"
intent to use Sector OZs in some way when making badge flights?

TIA
Jim
If you're flying with (for example) Glide Navigaor II, you can select
an option to "show FAI sectors" under the task menu item.

A trick I used for a really important 500K triangle flight when I was
just using the GPS-NAV LCD display was to set up a "shadow" waypoint
within the sector. As I got close to the turnpoint, I would navigate
to the shadow waypoint instead. When it said "0" distance to go, I
knew I was in the FAI sector.

So if Turnpoint 1 was Smith Airport (which is what was in the
declaration), I had Smith Airport Sector (actually Smthaptsector) in
the database as well. That's really overkill, since you can usually
eyeball it, but it it's really that important...

On Jul 19, 3:17 pm, Gary Emerson wrote:
[snip]
1. If the task you are flying requires you to fly sectors (per the
badge rules) then you better fly around the turnpoint in that manner.
If the rules allow cylinders, (I'm not sure if they do or don't) then
you can do it that way. Last time I flew a badge I think it was only
sectors, but that's been a few years, maybe it's changed.

Please lets stop confusing peple on this. As Marc pointed out nothing
anywhere for any FAI badge dictates wether you use a cylinder (aka
"beercan") or a FAI sector. That is purely a choice the pilot can
make, usually before the flight so they know that they are trying to
do, or try to round turnpoints so they count as both a cylinder and a
sector after the flight or if you mess up you can change what you
decide to use after the flight if it will make your flight count - as
long as all waypoints get rounded correctly as the same type -
cylinder or sector, you can't mix and match within one flight. Wether
you use cylinders or sectors is not part of any rule governing badge
flights or a part of any declaration made before the flight.

The only thing in past badge flights that would have dictated sectors
would have been flights before GNSS use was widespread and cylinders
were allowed.

Doing badge flights either as a pilot or as an OO (or watching either
from a distance) can be utterly frustrating until all parties have
carefully read FAI annex C. It really is a little opaque on first read
but is not too hard to understand and reading it before tryign to do
badges is likely to save much heartache later. http://www.fai.org/sporting_code/sc3.asp


Darryl
(OO for a sucessful diamond goal flight last week)

From the 303 Manual:

If a Task is active, the 303-NAV gives an additional message when the
glider enters the FAI Photo Sector for the Active Task Turnpoint. Three
loud, short beeps are accompanied by the message “In Sector” on the 303
HOME screen. The “In Sector” message takes priority over both the
“Approaching” and “Arrival!” messages. The outer boundary of the DDV
“FAI Sector” is at the “Approaching” radius.

So it will give you messages for both "beer can" and "photo sector", and
you don't even have to choose ahead of time which you like!

Paul Remde wrote:
Hi Dave,

Your 303 can indicate when you fly into a cylinder, but not when you fly
into a "photo sector".

Paul Remde

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 19, 11:01 am, wrote:
I understand the characteristics of the Sector OZ and the Cylinder OZ,
and for my badge flights, I would prefer to use the Sector OZ. An RAS
thread back in 2000 (before I started flying) seems to indicate that
Cambridge FRs are "hard wired" to the Cylinder OZ. I have a 302A CFR.
Does that mean I'm stuck with Cylinder OZ's, or can you "declare"
intent to use Sector OZs in some way when making badge flights?

TIA
Jim
My 302/303 will indicate sector entry when a task is active. I
believe it's a feature of the 303 only, but can't be sure. Although
based on the documentation for the 303, it is not compatible with the
302A. So you might be out of luck. You could contact the folks at
Cambridge to find out for sure.

Dave

On Jul 19, 7:27 pm, "
wrote:
On Jul 19, 3:17 pm, Gary Emerson wrote:
[snip]

1. If the task you are flying requires you to fly sectors (per the
badge rules) then you better fly around the turnpoint in that manner.
If the rules allow cylinders, (I'm not sure if they do or don't) then
you can do it that way. Last time I flew a badge I think it was only
sectors, but that's been a few years, maybe it's changed.

Please lets stop confusing peple on this. As Marc pointed out nothing
anywhere for any FAI badge dictates wether you use a cylinder (aka
"beercan") or a FAI sector. That is purely a choice the pilot can
make, usually before the flight so they know that they are trying to
do, or try to round turnpoints so they count as both a cylinder and a
sector after the flight or if you mess up you can change what you
decide to use after the flight if it will make your flight count - as
long as all waypoints get rounded correctly as the same type -
cylinder or sector, you can't mix and match within one flight. Wether
you use cylinders or sectors is not part of any rule governing badge
flights or a part of any declaration made before the flight.

The only thing in past badge flights that would have dictated sectors
would have been flights before GNSS use was widespread and cylinders
were allowed.

Doing badge flights either as a pilot or as an OO (or watching either
from a distance) can be utterly frustrating until all parties have
carefully read FAI annex C. It really is a little opaque on first read
but is not too hard to understand and reading it before tryign to do
badges is likely to save much heartache later.http://www.fai.org/sporting_code/sc3.asp

Darryl
(OO for a sucessful diamond goal flight last week)

Thanks for clearing that up Darryl. The Sporting code is great at
describing WHAT a cylinder OZ and FAI Sector OZ are. I was just
trying to figure out if one had to (or could) "DECLARE" in some way
WHICH would be used.
Thanks,
Jim N16UF

On Jul 19, 9:40 pm, wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:27 pm, "
wrote:



On Jul 19, 3:17 pm, Gary Emerson wrote:
[snip]

1. If the task you are flying requires you to fly sectors (per the
badge rules) then you better fly around the turnpoint in that manner.
If the rules allow cylinders, (I'm not sure if they do or don't) then
you can do it that way. Last time I flew a badge I think it was only
sectors, but that's been a few years, maybe it's changed.

Please lets stop confusing peple on this. As Marc pointed out nothing
anywhere for any FAI badge dictates wether you use a cylinder (aka
"beercan") or a FAI sector. That is purely a choice the pilot can
make, usually before the flight so they know that they are trying to
do, or try to round turnpoints so they count as both a cylinder and a
sector after the flight or if you mess up you can change what you
decide to use after the flight if it will make your flight count - as
long as all waypoints get rounded correctly as the same type -
cylinder or sector, you can't mix and match within one flight. Wether
you use cylinders or sectors is not part of any rule governing badge
flights or a part of any declaration made before the flight.

The only thing in past badge flights that would have dictated sectors
would have been flights before GNSS use was widespread and cylinders
were allowed.

Doing badge flights either as a pilot or as an OO (or watching either
from a distance) can be utterly frustrating until all parties have
carefully read FAI annex C. It really is a little opaque on first read
but is not too hard to understand and reading it before tryign to do
badges is likely to save much heartache later.http://www.fai.org/sporting_code/sc3.asp

Darryl
(OO for a sucessful diamond goal flight last week)

Thanks for clearing that up Darryl. The Sporting code is great at
describing WHAT a cylinder OZ and FAI Sector OZ are. I was just
trying to figure out if one had to (or could) "DECLARE" in some way
WHICH would be used.
Thanks,
Jim N16UF

BTW this question *is* answered in Annex C -- Section 4.6 clarifies
the turnpoint type is not part of a declaration. I know it is hard to
read on the first pass but a lot of stuff is explained there. And for
full disclosure, this also was an item I was confused on on my early
badge flights.

Darryl

On Jul 19, 8:38 pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:
Hi Dave,

Your 303 can indicate when you fly into a cylinder, but not when you fly
into a "photo sector".

Paul Remde

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On Jul 19, 11:01 am, wrote:
I understand the characteristics of the Sector OZ and the Cylinder OZ,
and for my badge flights, I would prefer to use the Sector OZ. An RAS
thread back in 2000 (before I started flying) seems to indicate that
Cambridge FRs are "hard wired" to the Cylinder OZ. I have a 302A CFR.
Does that mean I'm stuck with Cylinder OZ's, or can you "declare"
intent to use Sector OZs in some way when making badge flights?

TIA
Jim

My 302/303 will indicate sector entry when a task is active. I
believe it's a feature of the 303 only, but can't be sure. Although
based on the documentation for the 303, it is not compatible with the
302A. So you might be out of luck. You could contact the folks at
Cambridge to find out for sure.

Dave- Hide quoted text -

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Paul,

See ZL's post a few messages up. The 303 gives a message when
entering the FAI photo sector when a task is active.