Commercial ASEL and AMEL rides at the same time?

On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" wrote:
I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?

Once you have the commercial multi, you don't need a complex airplane
at all for the commercial single. I did mine in a TriPacer. So there
would be no need for a combined ride. You could take the commercial
single in a non-complex airplane at any time after passing the
commercial multi. This is assuming it was in a complex multiengine
airplane - but I can only think of a few of those, and only the
Partenavia would be reasonable. The Lancer is disallowed, the Cessna
336 gets you a rating limited to centerline thrust, and the Islander
and Twin Otter are way too expensive.

The problem is that you have already taken the commercial single test
in a complex and failed it. Now there is a judgment call involved.
There is no rule that says that you can't continue the test in a non-
complex, but you ought to check with the DE and make sure he is OK
with it. If not, choose a different DE.

Michael

On Jul 28, 3:17 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:
On 07/28/07 10:26, Luke Skywalker wrote:

On Jul 28, 12:24 am, "Matt Johnson" wrote:
I recently took my commercial ASEL ride and must retake a few parts of the
practical portion, but the complex single I've been using is no longer
available to me. A CFI friend suggested that I could start my multiengine
training now, then take a combined ASEL/AMEL commercial ride, whereby the
complex requirement would be satisfied by the twin, and I could do the areas
I need to retake in a non-complex single. Is this permissible?

--

Matt

Yes...be careful with the dates (ie how long from the test to the
retest) but the ME would easily satisfy the complex aircraft part of
it.

Well ... so long as the multi-engine airplane is a "complex". Not all
of them are.



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA


My Champion Lancer is about 90 percent done! That one wont work, but
a friends restored Apache will!

take care

Robert

On Jul 28, 3:49 pm, Michael wrote:


The problem is that you have already taken the commercial single test
in a complex and failed it. Now there is a judgment call involved.
There is no rule that says that you can't continue the test in a non-
complex, but you ought to check with the DE and make sure he is OK
with it. If not, choose a different DE.

Michael

what I would asked if I were the CFII/MEI or the DE is "what manuevers
were failed".

If there was a failure related to the complex airplane then that would
be one thing, if it were one of the manueers...then that would be
another.

It has been so long since I took mine but as I recall the FAA examiner
(that long) had no real problems with it. She spent the vast majority
of the Multi part of the ride on single engine ops including shooting
an "approach" of sorts in a psuedo engine out condition.

Robert