RIP Edward Teller

Gordon wrote:

How many people did Teller kill, as opposed to say, Idi Amin or Stalin?

Gordon

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"Aerophotos" wrote in message
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fallout from thermonuclear testing is all we need to say .. the deadly
cancer after effect has killed many more people then hitler stalin etc
and other ever did in the world



.....and let's not get started on that *******, Henry Ford.





Cheers


Dave Kearton

B2431 wrote:
I am sure you know many U. S. servicemen and a few civilians near
atmospheric
tests radiation poisoning and various cancers. Many of the affected
have since
died.

True, but who is the actual killer - the person who makes the bullet or
the person who pulls the trigger?

Cheers
David

hint for you keato

everything we uses kills us.. even the APCs you drove in the late 70s...

but unfortunately the nuclear weapons can eliminate everything in a
instant...like american cities...

pity the us decided to invent the weapon... i still prefer the ole shoot
outs of the pre nuke days..

like in that us invaded ****ry called iraq where americans are dying in
their hundreds still.. absolute cracker i think.. fools volunteer so
their CinC can have arabs kill them yet the Cinc is a war dodger himself
... sets a great precident hey

i really wonder if the us was bluffing in the cold war.. they wouldnt
of survived a nuclear war, let alone conventional...they are shown
everytime since vietnam that they cant hold their own ground, they
require world assistance.. so much for fighting the european meance...

check six









Dave Kearton wrote:

Gordon wrote:

How many people did Teller kill, as opposed to say, Idi Amin or Stalin?

Gordon

--
"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
fallout from thermonuclear testing is all we need to say .. the deadly
cancer after effect has killed many more people then hitler stalin etc
and other ever did in the world


....and let's not get started on that *******, Henry Ford.

Cheers

Dave Kearton

davo

the us military industry wouldnt care less, it makes weapons, after that
there is sales support service and mega profits, and then their is the
perosn who pulls or pushes the trigger...

all are guilty.. even i will if we have to use the raaf for another
invasion somewhere soon...hopefully someone will remove the rogue leader
howard from office quick smart before that happens.

but least i aint a american who actually thinks killing other is like a
sport and fun..in america your actually encouraged to kill people
....how? buy a gun... learn to shoot.. pretty bizzare



David Bromage wrote:

B2431 wrote:
I am sure you know many U. S. servicemen and a few civilians near
atmospheric
tests radiation poisoning and various cancers. Many of the affected
have since
died.

True, but who is the actual killer - the person who makes the bullet or
the person who pulls the trigger?

Cheers
David

"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
hint for you keato

everything we uses kills us.. even the APCs you drove in the late 70s...



Hmmm there's a problem there. I used a toaster this morning, will
that kill me or will it be the APC that I drove in the '70s ?


....and the TV has been looking at me strangely .....


.....and I've never really trusted that hairdryer, it's the wife's.



but unfortunately the nuclear weapons can eliminate everything in a
instant...like american cities...




Can, but so far haven't. They've also prevented smaller wars from
escalating to the global, conventional conflicts that you seem to prefer.




pity the us decided to invent the weapon... i still prefer the ole shoot
outs of the pre nuke days..




Yes, weren't they fun ?




like in that us invaded ****ry called iraq where americans are dying in
their hundreds still.. absolute cracker i think.. fools volunteer so
their CinC can have arabs kill them yet the Cinc is a war dodger himself
.. sets a great precident hey





....but Jolly, Iraqis were dying in their thousands before, maybe with a
little co-operation we can bring peace and security, not only to Iraq but
to the whole Middle East. That doesn't mean invading every country
there, maybe only the ONES THAT HAVE IGNORED 12 YEARS OF SANCTIONS.




i really wonder if the us was bluffing in the cold war.. they wouldnt
of survived a nuclear war, let alone conventional...they are shown
everytime since vietnam that they cant hold their own ground, they
require world assistance.. so much for fighting the european meance...



Nobody would have survived a nuclear war, what's new there ?



The European menace ? Who are they ?

Last time I saw, Europe and the US were allies.






check six



Personalities ?




Cheers


Dave Kearton












Dave Kearton wrote:

Gordon wrote:

How many people did Teller kill, as opposed to say, Idi Amin or
Stalin?

Gordon

--
"Aerophotos" wrote in message
...
fallout from thermonuclear testing is all we need to say .. the deadly
cancer after effect has killed many more people then hitler stalin etc
and other ever did in the world


....and let's not get started on that *******, Henry Ford.

Cheers

Dave Kearton

From: David Bromage
Date: 9/13/2003 3:28 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

B2431 wrote:
I am sure you know many U. S. servicemen and a few civilians near
atmospheric
tests radiation poisoning and various cancers. Many of the affected
have since
died.

True, but who is the actual killer - the person who makes the bullet or
the person who pulls the trigger?

Cheers
David


Unfortunately for the dead Teller insisted on lots of tests. Many of his peers,
besides the ones from Manhatten Project who later opposed building the
thermonuclear devices after they had seen in Japan, have said too many tests
were done on his direction. Long before the Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty the
actual effects of the bombs were well documented. All that was left to do was
make smaller and more efficient bombs. These were done after the ban.

My theory is he was just like a lot of people in the business and liked to see
the explosions. I know I would have liked to have seen one.

Your analogy is correct that the end user was responsible, I don't hold him
resposible for designing it, but I do hold him responsible for excess testing.

The bombs did need to be built, many of the tests did need to be done, but just
how many?

Maybe we need to do an above ground detonation occassionally so people can see
what they are actually afraid of.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: Aerophotos
Date: 9/13/2003 3:35 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

snip

pity the us decided to invent the weapon... i still prefer the ole shoot
outs of the pre nuke days..

The Soviets were going to make nukes regardless of whether anyone else has.
Their spies in the Manhatten Project just speeded their project a few years.
Instead of rebuilding after WW2 Stalin let his people continue to suffer and
spent money much needed buy the people on his atomic and missile programs. At
the time the U.S. detonated the first H-bomb the Soviets were well on their way
to building theirs.

Would you feel any better if they or the French had built them first?

like in that us invaded ****ry called iraq where americans are dying in
their hundreds still.. absolute cracker i think.. fools volunteer so
their CinC can have arabs kill them yet the Cinc is a war dodger himself
.. sets a great precident hey

Bush didn't duck the draft, he volunteered and went into the Air National Guard
which IS military.

i really wonder if the us was bluffing in the cold war.. they wouldnt
of survived a nuclear war, let alone conventional...they are shown
everytime since vietnam that they cant hold their own ground, they
require world assistance.. so much for fighting the european meance...

check six


Check your own back yard. Go look at the nuke holes and crater glass.

Now about your geography lessons, the Soviet Union was Asian, not European. The
East European members of the Warsaw Pact were simply a buffer zone.

Dan, U. S. Air Force

Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: (B2431)
Date: 9/13/03 12:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

I am sure you know many U. S. servicemen and a few civilians near atmospheric
tests radiation poisoning and various cancers. Many of the affected have
since
died.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


But that was joint operation of the US Government and the atomic energy
commision. You can't blame Teller for that.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: RIP Edward Teller
From: "tscottme"
Date: 9/13/03 12:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Gordon wrote in message
...
How many people did Teller kill, as opposed to say, Idi Amin or
Stalin?


Gordon

I'd say a few million people fewer than Kalashnikov or Stalin, Mao,
Hitler, Pol Pot.

Thank God Teller was working for us rather than against us.

--

Scott

I remember attending a lecture by Teller at The New School in NY in the 50's.
The lecture was on Theory of Relativity. To this day I can remember the last
line of the lecture. After going through the complexities of the theory he
finsihed with, " Zee trupple mit science fiction ist das es ist tzu
unimaginatif". And he was right.






Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Teller wasn't one of the major players in the Manhattan project. I doubt
his presence in Germany would have materially effected a half-hearted effort
to achieve the bomb. His fatherhood of the H-bomb is somewhat exaggerated.
Certainly he was a big proponent of the weapon, but it was Hans Ulam who
figured out the concepts that made the bomb practical and scaleable. When
Teller and his group splintered off from Los Alamos to develop weapons to
his theoretical designs, the results were not spectacular.

R / John

He could have stayed in Germany and given Hitler the atom bomb. Be
thankful for
little things.