Bounced Landing

Phil wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:53 am, (Scott) wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:18:49 -0700, in rec.aviation.piloting, buttman

wrote:
On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg
I've seen that before. Its from a commercial. You can hear the
announcer at the end start to say something. I'm pretty sure it's been
doctored at least somewhat.
I remember seeing somewhere that it was a (large) RC model airplane. IMO
that would seem to account for the apparent physics of the bounces.

-Scott

That seems like the best explanation. I noticed it says T & W Air on
the fuselage. I can't find any trace of that as a Chinese airline on
the web. But if it's an RC plane, the video must have been doctored
to add the smoke from the tires. I don't think you would get that
much smoke from an RC size plane.


Yes, a large model would be believable.


Matt

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:36:47 -0700, Phil wrote in
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On Sep 30, 9:53 am, (Scott) wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:18:49 -0700, in rec.aviation.piloting, buttman

wrote:
On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

I've seen that before. Its from a commercial. You can hear the
announcer at the end start to say something. I'm pretty sure it's been
doctored at least somewhat.

I remember seeing somewhere that it was a (large) RC model airplane. IMO
that would seem to account for the apparent physics of the bounces.

-Scott

That seems like the best explanation. I noticed it says T & W Air on
the fuselage. I can't find any trace of that as a Chinese airline on
the web. But if it's an RC plane, the video must have been doctored
to add the smoke from the tires. I don't think you would get that
much smoke from an RC size plane.

Agreed.

It looks totally photoshopped to me (or CGI).

I doubt that an RC plane--or any full scale!--could plant the mains
like that and get that much of a bounce out of the nose wheel.

Marty
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:36:47 -0700, Phil wrote in
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On Sep 30, 9:53 am, (Scott) wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:18:49 -0700, in rec.aviation.piloting, buttman

wrote:
On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

I've seen that before. Its from a commercial. You can hear the
announcer at the end start to say something. I'm pretty sure it's been
doctored at least somewhat.

I remember seeing somewhere that it was a (large) RC model airplane.
IMO
that would seem to account for the apparent physics of the bounces.

-Scott

That seems like the best explanation. I noticed it says T & W Air on
the fuselage. I can't find any trace of that as a Chinese airline on
the web. But if it's an RC plane, the video must have been doctored
to add the smoke from the tires. I don't think you would get that
much smoke from an RC size plane.

Agreed.

It looks totally photoshopped to me (or CGI).

I doubt that an RC plane--or any full scale!--could plant the mains
like that and get that much of a bounce out of the nose wheel.

Marty
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If the pilot was on the brakes hard and the airspeed was low enough so the
horizontal tail didn't dampen some of the motion, I think it would be
possible to generate one of these pogo like cycles.

Then the nose gear would fail...

KB

On Sep 30, 12:00 pm, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:

It looks totally photoshopped to me (or CGI).

I doubt that an RC plane--or any full scale!--could plant the mains
like that and get that much of a bounce out of the nose wheel.


We've seen this one before in this forum. I think the consensus was an
R/C jet that had some CGI enhancements for the commercial. A real jet
wouldn't oscillate that fast and make those booms every time the nose
gear touched down. Plus, there are no brakes on the nose gear, so
where does the tire smoke come from after the intial touchdown?

On Sep 30, 9:36 am, Phil wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:53 am, (Scott) wrote:





On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:18:49 -0700, in rec.aviation.piloting, buttman

wrote:
On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

I've seen that before. Its from a commercial. You can hear the
announcer at the end start to say something. I'm pretty sure it's been
doctored at least somewhat.

I remember seeing somewhere that it was a (large) RC model airplane. IMO
that would seem to account for the apparent physics of the bounces.

-Scott

That seems like the best explanation. I noticed it says T & W Air on
the fuselage. I can't find any trace of that as a Chinese airline on
the web. But if it's an RC plane, the video must have been doctored
to add the smoke from the tires. I don't think you would get that
much smoke from an RC size plane.- Hide quoted text -

I was at an airshow last weekend and the RC planes have very affective
smoke producers. They add an oil to the exhaust stream to get the
smoke.

On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:54:19 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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I was at an airshow last weekend and the RC planes have very affective
smoke producers. They add an oil to the exhaust stream to get the
smoke.

True.

But, as a general rule, RC smoke systems inject oil into the
muffler and the smoke comes out of the exhaust system, not
from the wheels making contact with the runway.

I'm not saying that they couldn't have run smoke from the
engine down to the front wheel of the aircraft in the video,
just that it seems highly unlikely.

From 11 years of flying RC aircraft, I am willing to bet
that there is no input that could be given to a scale
model capable of making that flight and landing that
would result in the nose bouncing up and down like that
on landing. To get the nose up, you'd have to use
elevator control. If you have that much energy in the
system, the mains will leave the ground along with the
nose.

I know LOTS about pilot induced oscillations, porpoising,
bounce-and-goes, bounce-stall-cartwheels, etc.

They may have used a model to film the airplane's scripted
movements, but the nose dance was most certainly produced
by photo-manipulation or CGI.

Marty
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:53:47 GMT, (Scott) wrote:


I remember seeing somewhere that it was a (large) RC model airplane. IMO
that would seem to account for the apparent physics of the bounces.


That's my vote.

I've flown lots of r/c's and it looks familiar.

The wheels look a tad big, too.

i guess it's that one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQF72UtxhOA

regards
wolfgang, vie, loww

On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

This was from a beer commercial. Norway I believe.