Barf bags don't work in zero G's

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in news:zO-
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Aviv Hod wrote:
Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv
In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I
would recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft
like this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with
baggage in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not
tied down and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high
rate of forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create
the effect". It's very possible to take these airplanes right on
through 0 g and into negative g if this is done fast enough and
these airplanes are not designed for that. Carried to the extreme,
this "stunt" could cause real structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one
passenger on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and
made a victim by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and
unnecessary act of stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way
to impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.


Waht was that first part again?


Bertie

Kind of like reading "Sale of Two Titties".....wait....that's "Tale of
two Cities I think.

Begins with
"It was a day like any other day"....ends with..

"Twas a far better thing I have done that I ever did before"

The rest is just the middle part :-))


Just pulling yur chain,,


Bertie

In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.

No kidding. Not only is it a bad idea to pull partial G's when one of your
pax is already holding the yak bag, that's gotta be the fastest way to spend
a Friday night alone on the couch wishing the two hotties in the back of
your airplane didn't think you were a total jackass.

However, I confess I took a girl through the maneuvers back in
college...while she was holding an open Dr. Pepper and wearing a new white
coat.

-c

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Aviv Hod wrote:
Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv

In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.

Dudley, it took you a lot of words to say that this pilot is a flaming
idiot ... but I agree with you 100%. :-)

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Aviv Hod wrote:
Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's
not a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv

In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage
in the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down
and secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of
forward pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and
into negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are
not designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could
cause real structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim
by this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.

Dudley, it took you a lot of words to say that this pilot is a flaming
idiot ... but I agree with you 100%. :-)

Matt

It's the old CFI in me. Just saying someone is an idiot doesn't finish
the job for me. Stating the exact REASON he's an idiot just might help
keep someone reading my posts from getting hurt.
Keeping people alive in airplanes is an ingrained habit with me I guess.
Otherwise, please excuse any perceived tendency toward being overly
pedantic (which I can of course be at times :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:


In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.


Exactly. No one had parachutes and the plane looks like 172...
The pilot is an idiot.

In article ,
kontiki wrote:

Dudley Henriques wrote:


In my opinion this pilot would not end up on my list of people I would
recommend.
This "stunt" is unwise as a general rule, especially in aircraft like
this one; especially loaded with passengers; especially with baggage in
the baggage compartment; especially with that baggage not tied down and
secured; and most importantly, especially at the high rate of forward
pressure this pilot was obviously using to "create the effect".
It's very possible to take these airplanes right on through 0 g and into
negative g if this is done fast enough and these airplanes are not
designed for that. Carried to the extreme, this "stunt" could cause real
structural problems.
And all this doesn't even address the fact that at least one passenger
on this flight was taken from the role of passenger and made a victim by
this totally inappropriate, unprofessional, and unnecessary act of
stupidity by this pilot.
Demonstrating things like this in a loaded airplane is not the way to
impress the ladies.
I hope I've made my point on this perfectly clear.


Exactly. No one had parachutes and the plane looks like 172...
The pilot is an idiot.

What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

Dale wrote:


What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
just too conservative.

I still think the pilot is an idiot.

kontiki wrote in newsXc4j.21470$ya1.4678
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Dale wrote:


What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
just too conservative.

I still think the pilot is an idiot.

He was, but what he did was a bump. Pitch up, push over hard. He pushed
hard enough to flood the carb at one point. Parachutes would have been next
to useless anyway. Not much chance of getting out of a 172 at the sort of
speeds it would have been going and the people on board would more than
likely not have been clued up enough to get out anyway.
Lots of people do this and it's not all that dangerous, though with a full
pax complement the aircraft's Loading margins are reduced significantly
(that's one reason why utility category has a higher G allowance),but why
not just get an aerobatic airplane and do it right anyway?
Aside from anything else it's more fun.


Bertie

In article ,
kontiki wrote:

Dale wrote:


What do parachutes have to do with it? Easy to do that without
exceeding 30 degrees of pitch.

I thought they were required for any aerobatics... (it looked like
a loop to me, quality wasn't that good)... The point though, is...
would you take your family out and do aerobatics with them and not
have them wear parachutes? I wouldn't. I had to wear one just when
I was a jump pilot and we never exceeded 30 in pitch. Maybe I'm
just too conservative.

I still think the pilot is an idiot.

All he did was a pushover to to zero/negative G.

If flying a Cessna to haul jumpers wearing the parachute is a
requirement of the STC for flight with the door open.

Aviv Hod wrote in
:

Fellow pilots, let's be nicer to our passengers than this pilot
apparently is. If anyone in the plane has a bag at the ready, it's not
a good time to pull zero G maneuvers!!

http://www.break.com/index/barf-bags...k-at-0-gs.html

This is pretty funny though :-)

-Aviv

Class act.


Bertie