Aerobatics books (Bertie, Dudley)

On Dec 3, 1:29 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Wiliams book is worth buying just for his account of how he landed a
Zlin 526 with a broken wing spar that only allowed him to fly inverted!
Absolutely awe inspiring stuff.

Bertie

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm

JEEEEZUS....Friggin' steel cojones

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OK, that is one of the most amazing flying stories I have ever read.
Thanks for posting the link.

Phil

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On Dec 3, 1:29 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Wiliams book is worth buying just for his account of how he landed a
Zlin 526 with a broken wing spar that only allowed him to fly
inverted! Absolutely awe inspiring stuff.

Bertie

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm

JEEEEZUS....Friggin' steel cojones

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OK, that is one of the most amazing flying stories I have ever read.
Thanks for posting the link.


Unfortunately, Neil Williams was killed a few years later ferrying a
Heinkel 111 from Spain in a stupid CFIT accident. A bit like Frank
Tallman..


Bertie

Unfortunately, Neil Williams was killed a few years later ferrying a
Heinkel 111 from Spain in a stupid CFIT accident. A bit like Frank
Tallman..


CFIT?

schrieb:

I was reading Bertie & Dudley's analysis of some low level aerobatics
gone bad. They used a fair amount of terminology I wasn't familiar
with.

What are the classic books on aerobatics?

"Flight unlimited" by Eric Müller. It's available again.

But then, it depends on what you want it for. If you want to get a
feeling of some of the difficulties and what can go wrong, there's no
other way than to do it yourself. Go to an aerobatic school and ask for
a couple of lessons, especially inverted flight, rolls and flicks. Then
you'll understand many of the things which can go wrong. Besides, it's
fun. But be warned: It's addictive!

wrote:
I was reading Bertie & Dudley's analysis of some low level aerobatics
gone bad. They used a fair amount of terminology I wasn't familiar
with.

What are the classic books on aerobatics?
All of the books Bertie recommended are good. In fact, it was Duane Cole
who first interested me in acro.
For up to date modern explanations and terminology on the subject you
can't use better reference books than the books written by Mike Goulian
and Geza Szurovy. There are two.
1. Basic Aerobatics
2. Advanced Aerobatics.

I recommend these books often. They are extremely well written and are
applicable in a range from a Cessna Aerobat on through the most advanced
aerobatic aircraft in use today.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in news:IL-
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wrote:
I was reading Bertie & Dudley's analysis of some low level aerobatics
gone bad. They used a fair amount of terminology I wasn't familiar
with.

What are the classic books on aerobatics?
All of the books Bertie recommended are good. In fact, it was Duane Cole
who first interested me in acro.
For up to date modern explanations and terminology on the subject you
can't use better reference books than the books written by Mike Goulian
and Geza Szurovy. There are two.
1. Basic Aerobatics
2. Advanced Aerobatics.

I recommend these books often. They are extremely well written and are
applicable in a range from a Cessna Aerobat on through the most advanced
aerobatic aircraft in use today.



Hmm, don't know either of those. I think I'll have a look at them!


Thanks

Bertie

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

All of the books Bertie recommended are good. In fact, it was Duane Cole
who first interested me in acro.

And don't forget to get the book from Duane Cole about how to write your
name on an airplane, upside-down.
--
Jim in NC

Well, lot's to get busy with!

My club has an aerobat which was my primary trainer.

I've got the book by Williams -- ran across it at a used bookstore.
It's an old edition, hardback, but is in good condition. I'll check
out those others too, particularly the basics books.

Doesn't Bob Hoover have a book about his flying adventures? Anyone
recommend that?

wrote in news:80ea2e4f-f2e0-4ea1-81f6-
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Well, lot's to get busy with!

My club has an aerobat which was my primary trainer.

I've got the book by Williams -- ran across it at a used bookstore.
It's an old edition, hardback, but is in good condition. I'll check
out those others too, particularly the basics books.

Doesn't Bob Hoover have a book about his flying adventures? Anyone
recommend that?




As a matter of fact, I'm reading that at the moment. t's quite good. Not
much in the way of prose and he has had someone else write it for him,
but that's a minor quibble, really.
He did some fantastic stuff, though..

Williams book is still a bible, though I haven't read it for a while..
What I do recall about it is it's heavy on procedure and tech stuff and
light on style and the psychological.
For instance, he'll tell you what you're looking for in a loop, i'e,
entry speed, the effect of torque as the nose comes up, the ever
changing requirements of elevator presure as the attiude and speed
change, etc, but he doesn't really give any insight into what you're
looking *for* during the manuever. (maybe I'm slighting him, Haven't
read it in years and it's out on loan)
But as a recipe book, where he gives you the ingredients and you supply
the love, it's more than what anyone could ever need for an
introduction.

BTW, I looked at buying the Arrow Active that's pictured in the book.
It's the only one in the world and was for sale years ago, in flying
condition, for about $5,000 US! I think it ended up at Shuttleworth
where it belongs.
Hopefully some Nigel won't plant it in a "watch this!" moment.


Bertie

On Dec 2, 5:58 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote in news:80ea2e4f-f2e0-4ea1-81f6-
:

Well, lot's to get busy with!

My club has an aerobat which was my primary trainer.

I've got the book by Williams -- ran across it at a used bookstore.
It's an old edition, hardback, but is in good condition. I'll check
out those others too, particularly the basics books.

Doesn't Bob Hoover have a book about his flying adventures? Anyone
recommend that?

As a matter of fact, I'm reading that at the moment. t's quite good. Not
much in the way of prose and he has had someone else write it for him,
but that's a minor quibble, really.
He did some fantastic stuff, though..

Williams book is still a bible, though I haven't read it for a while..
What I do recall about it is it's heavy on procedure and tech stuff and
light on style and the psychological.
For instance, he'll tell you what you're looking for in a loop, i'e,
entry speed, the effect of torque as the nose comes up, the ever
changing requirements of elevator presure as the attiude and speed
change, etc, but he doesn't really give any insight into what you're
looking *for* during the manuever. (maybe I'm slighting him, Haven't
read it in years and it's out on loan)
But as a recipe book, where he gives you the ingredients and you supply
the love, it's more than what anyone could ever need for an
introduction.

BTW, I looked at buying the Arrow Active that's pictured in the book.
It's the only one in the world and was for sale years ago, in flying
condition, for about $5,000 US! I think it ended up at Shuttleworth
where it belongs.
Hopefully some Nigel won't plant it in a "watch this!" moment.

Bertie

If you can't wait to buy a book, you could look he
http://www.iac.org/begin/figures.html
It's free and it's right now.

K l e i n