Sims

"gatt" wrote in
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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"LWG" wrote in message
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I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I
fly under the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all
for about a nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety
pilot needed.

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

It can make the actual flying/instructing time a bit more productive.

I'm taking LWG's position on this because, just like a "real"
simulator, it's useful to be able to simply back up and do an approach
again, or try an approach with an instrument failure or things you
wouldn't want to spend $100/hr practicing. It's not going to replace
actual flight time, but I found it helpful in practicing the ability
to cross-reference instruments in "IMC" (sort of like the instrument
examples in the Instrument written exam.)

Useful for learning the instrument panel and practicing navigation
without outside reference. Definately a secondary or tertiary
source; it could replace neither practical experience or instruction
but you can learn to use an ADF, VORs or the Garmin GPS with it.


There, you've said it..

ADF's are the one thing i've found them fairly useful for, specially if
I haven't done one in a while.


Still, it's not the same...

Bertie

LWG wrote:
Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one of the
more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the family room,
in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument ticket. Ove the years I
have collected the CH yoke and footpedals. I have downloaded a flight model
and graphics for my Sundowner. I was looking out the window at the snow
falling, and I set the sim to real world weather. Damn if the screen didn't
look exactly like the weather outside, and I was once again looking at my
panel. The ATC simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went down the
"runway." I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I fly under
the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for about a
nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot needed.


Just do me a favor will you please? Don't go out and try to fly IFR with
all that "no instructor or safety pilot needed" simulator time in your
log book without getting some of that "instructor and safety pilot
needed" stuff as well.
Don't EVER be misled into believing that what you can do and what you
see on MSFS will replace the actual experience needed to safely fly the
airplane.
It's nice to enjoy MSFS, and God only knows I have even reviewed it for
its role in real world aviation and found it has many a useful purpose,
but MSFS will NEVER replace actual flight instruction and produce a safe
pilot, especially a safe instrument pilot.


--
Dudley Henriques
CFI/MVP2007 MSFS

Dudley Henriques writes:

Just do me a favor will you please? Don't go out and try to fly IFR with
all that "no instructor or safety pilot needed" simulator time in your
log book without getting some of that "instructor and safety pilot
needed" stuff as well.

I didn't see any mention of doing anything like that. Do you think he is
stupid?

Don't EVER be misled into believing that what you can do and what you
see on MSFS will replace the actual experience needed to safely fly the
airplane.

See above. Do you assume that people who fly simulators are stupid?

It's nice to enjoy MSFS, and God only knows I have even reviewed it for
its role in real world aviation and found it has many a useful purpose,
but MSFS will NEVER replace actual flight instruction and produce a safe
pilot, especially a safe instrument pilot.

Never is a long time, although I'll agree for MSFS in its current state and
particularly in its default state.

But you must keep in mind that you can sim as a substitate for flying a real
plane, or you can sim as a replacement for flying a real plane, depending on
what part of flying you enjoy.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Dudley Henriques writes:

Just do me a favor will you please? Don't go out and try to fly IFR
with all that "no instructor or safety pilot needed" simulator time
in your log book without getting some of that "instructor and safety
pilot needed" stuff as well.

I didn't see any mention of doing anything like that. Do you think he
is stupid?


You don't fly. You have no idea what you;re talking about. You have no
business posting on this subject.


Bertie

But you must keep in mind that you can sim as a substitate for flying a real
plane, or you can sim as a replacement for flying a real plane, depending on
what part of flying you enjoy.

I've done both. Simming is not as fun for me, period. Especially if
you enjoy more than just straight and level flight. Simming will never
be as good for me.

All I think about right now is: how can I do this more often.

I don't care if it's expensive -- I'll do what I need to do. Share an
aircraft with others, build one, WHATEVER it takes.

I flew the other night and the complete serenity of the flight itself
was unsurpassed. I'd had a tough week at work -- but everything was
gone up there in the black. I went where I wanted. Even ATC shutup
when I got far enough out from class C.

Until you actually fly a plane you have nothing worthwhile to say
about comparing them.

The sim is cool but it doesn't even come close.

writes:

Until you actually fly a plane you have nothing worthwhile to say
about comparing them.

Until you're actually killed in an accident, you know nothing about how to
avoid them.

The sim is cool but it doesn't even come close.

Purely a matter of opinion.

The sim is cool but it doesn't even come close.

Purely a matter of opinion.

Only if you haven't done it.

I love simming as much as anyone here (with the possible exception of
you), and have taken it to great lengths with our full-sized Kiwi
Flight Simulator. See it he http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm

That said, there is simply no comparison between the two experiences.
Flying the Kiwi is like watching a video of the sun rising -- pretty,
but nothing like being in the moment.

Which isn't to say that flying the sim isn't a valid, fun, educational
experience. With a rig like our Kiwi, it's possible to entertain
pilots (or oneself) for hours on end. I mean, where else can you
rocket through the Alps at Mach 1.4 for a nickel's worth of
electricity?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

Until you actually fly a plane you have nothing worthwhile to say
about comparing them.

Until you're actually killed in an accident, you know nothing about
how to avoid them.


Somehow I think your own death won;'t be an accident.

The sim is cool but it doesn't even come close.

Purely a matter of opinion.


And there it is again.


Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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See above. Do you assume that people who fly simulators are stupid?

You're making the salient case for that every time you post on these forums.

It's nice to enjoy MSFS, and God only knows I have even reviewed it for
its role in real world aviation and found it has many a useful purpose,
but MSFS will NEVER replace actual flight instruction and produce a safe
pilot, especially a safe instrument pilot.

Never is a long time,

Microsoft Flight Simulator will never replace actual flight instruction and
produce a safe pilot.

Never.

gatt writes:

Microsoft Flight Simulator will never replace actual flight instruction and
produce a safe pilot.

That doesn't matter, if the objective is not to become a pilot. And MSFS
remains useful as one tool among many for those who wish to become pilots, or
who already are.