News: Czech Republic select European Fighterjets over F-16

On 17 Dec 2003 15:01:41 -0800, Karl wrote:
The Czech cabinet decided Wednesday to select new SAAB/BAe JAS 39C
Gripen 4th Generation Multirole jetfighters as replacement over
their MIG-21 fleet.
The Swedish offer outbid 4 other contenders, with the US offer of
used F-16's ending in last place, the Belgian F-16 offer came 2nd.

What came 3rd?

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On 17 Dec 2003 15:01:41 -0800, Karl wrote:
The Czech cabinet decided Wednesday to select new SAAB/BAe JAS 39C
Gripen 4th Generation Multirole jetfighters as replacement over
their MIG-21 fleet.
The Swedish offer outbid 4 other contenders, with the US offer of
used F-16's ending in last place, the Belgian F-16 offer came 2nd.

What came 3rd?

Holland and F-16.
Canada with CF-18 came 4th.

What definately gave Sweden the order was the fact it was brand new
high-tech jets with very low operational cost, plus offsets that
totally cover the lease period. The manufacturer will not be making
money from this special deal, this is the Swedish State offering 14
jets from the 204 pre-ordered for the Swedish Airforce. After the
5-10 year loan period, the Czech will again decide which jets to
equip their airforce with. Continue with the Gripen + add more of them,
or find something else.

On 17 Dec 2003 15:01:41 -0800, (Karl) wrote:

The Czech cabinet decided Wednesday to select new SAAB/BAe JAS 39C
Gripen 4th Generation Multirole jetfighters as replacement over
their MIG-21 fleet.
The Swedish offer outbid 4 other contenders, with the US offer of
used F-16's ending in last place, the Belgian F-16 offer came 2nd.

http://www.gripen.com
http://www.saab.se

Gripen have now been selected by the four nations;
Sweden, South Africa, Hungary and the Czech Republic.


In related news, Saab Bofors Dynamics received Tuesday a further
order from MBDA UK on the development of the METEOR missile.
JAS 39 Gripen will become the aircraft to test the system.

"Meteor is a beyond visual range missile approximately 3.5 meters in
length, for use against air targets. In the future it will replace the
American AMRAAM system. The development of the Meteor air-to-air
missile is being carried out as an international industrial project
involving the UK, Germany, Sweden, France, Italy and Spain."

The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation. This was simply
a PR stunt on the part of the Swedes.

Al Minyard

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation.

I know, I've been involved in competitions against US FMS

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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:27:13 +0000, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote:

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation.

I know, I've been involved in competitions against US FMS

Yeah, we cheat, but so does everybody else.:-)

Alan Minyard wrote in
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On 17 Dec 2003 15:01:41 -0800, (Karl)
wrote:

The Czech cabinet decided Wednesday to select new SAAB/BAe JAS
39C Gripen 4th Generation Multirole jetfighters as replacement
over their MIG-21 fleet.
The Swedish offer outbid 4 other contenders, with the US offer
of used F-16's ending in last place, the Belgian F-16 offer came
2nd.

http://www.gripen.com
http://www.saab.se

Gripen have now been selected by the four nations;
Sweden, South Africa, Hungary and the Czech Republic.


In related news, Saab Bofors Dynamics received Tuesday a further
order from MBDA UK on the development of the METEOR missile.
JAS 39 Gripen will become the aircraft to test the system.

"Meteor is a beyond visual range missile approximately 3.5
meters in length, for use against air targets. In the future it
will replace the American AMRAAM system. The development of the
Meteor air-to-air missile is being carried out as an
international industrial project involving the UK, Germany,
Sweden, France, Italy and Spain."

The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation. This was simply
a PR stunt on the part of the Swedes.

Al Minyard

On the other hand it shows that it is possible to produce
an advanced and effective weapons system at a manageble
cost. In the words of Colonel Per-Olof Eldh:

http://www.gripen.com/gripen_news/gr...ws_2001_01.pdf

“Compared to other fighter aircraft
currently in service, Gripen is a totally
superior product,” he boasts. “It is a
perfect blend of simplicity and sophistication,
and by far the best handling aircraft
I have ever flown.“

“While its flyaway price is comparable to that of a
new F-16 C/D, Gripen’s operating cost of less than
US$2,500 / flying hour (including fuel and all levels
of maintenance) is unrivalled.


Regards...

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:25:08 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in
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On 17 Dec 2003 15:01:41 -0800, (Karl)
wrote:

The Czech cabinet decided Wednesday to select new SAAB/BAe JAS
39C Gripen 4th Generation Multirole jetfighters as replacement
over their MIG-21 fleet.
The Swedish offer outbid 4 other contenders, with the US offer
of used F-16's ending in last place, the Belgian F-16 offer came
2nd.

http://www.gripen.com
http://www.saab.se

Gripen have now been selected by the four nations;
Sweden, South Africa, Hungary and the Czech Republic.


In related news, Saab Bofors Dynamics received Tuesday a further
order from MBDA UK on the development of the METEOR missile.
JAS 39 Gripen will become the aircraft to test the system.

"Meteor is a beyond visual range missile approximately 3.5
meters in length, for use against air targets. In the future it
will replace the American AMRAAM system. The development of the
Meteor air-to-air missile is being carried out as an
international industrial project involving the UK, Germany,
Sweden, France, Italy and Spain."

The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation. This was simply
a PR stunt on the part of the Swedes.

Al Minyard

On the other hand it shows that it is possible to produce
an advanced and effective weapons system at a manageble
cost. In the words of Colonel Per-Olof Eldh:

http://www.gripen.com/gripen_news/gr...ws_2001_01.pdf

“Compared to other fighter aircraft
currently in service, Gripen is a totally
superior product,” he boasts. “It is a
perfect blend of simplicity and sophistication,
and by far the best handling aircraft
I have ever flown.“

“While its flyaway price is comparable to that of a
new F-16 C/D, Gripen’s operating cost of less than
US$2,500 / flying hour (including fuel and all levels
of maintenance) is unrivalled.


Regards...

This has no relevance, as the Gripens are completely free.
And quoting company web sites is not a good way to
achieve credibility.

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:25:08 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation. This was simply
a PR stunt on the part of the Swedes.

Al Minyard

On the other hand it shows that it is possible to produce
an advanced and effective weapons system at a manageble
cost. In the words of Colonel Per-Olof Eldh:

http://www.gripen.com/gripen_news/gr...ws_2001_01.pdf

“Compared to other fighter aircraft
currently in service, Gripen is a totally
superior product,” he boasts. “It is a
perfect blend of simplicity and sophistication,
and by far the best handling aircraft
I have ever flown.“

“While its flyaway price is comparable to that of a
new F-16 C/D, Gripen’s operating cost of less than
US$2,500 / flying hour (including fuel and all levels
of maintenance) is unrivalled.


Regards...

This has no relevance, as the Gripens are completely free.

It's simply cost-effective.

And quoting company web sites is not a good way to
achieve credibility.

Al Minyard

It's a pilot with 3,500 hours in jets, and the
statement is nothing spectacular, it simply
emphasises the superiority of a 4ht generation
fighter compared to older designs.


Regards...

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
...
Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:25:08 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation. This was simply
a PR stunt on the part of the Swedes.

Al Minyard

On the other hand it shows that it is possible to produce
an advanced and effective weapons system at a manageble
cost. In the words of Colonel Per-Olof Eldh:

http://www.gripen.com/gripen_news/gr...ws_2001_01.pdf

"Compared to other fighter aircraft
currently in service, Gripen is a totally
superior product," he boasts. "It is a
perfect blend of simplicity and sophistication,
and by far the best handling aircraft
I have ever flown."

"While its flyaway price is comparable to that of a
new F-16 C/D, Gripen's operating cost of less than
US$2,500 / flying hour (including fuel and all levels
of maintenance) is unrivalled.


Regards...

This has no relevance, as the Gripens are completely free.

It's simply cost-effective.

And quoting company web sites is not a good way to
achieve credibility.

Al Minyard

It's a pilot with 3,500 hours in jets, and the
statement is nothing spectacular, it simply
emphasises the superiority of a 4ht generation
fighter compared to older designs.

If it is so superior to the latest F-16 Blocks, then why has it been
repeatedly outsold on the foreign market by what you apparently consider
some kind of "third generation" fighter? You are saying it costs the same,
offers OPTEMPO savings in comparison to the F-16's, and yet it has managed
to sell what, maybe a third the number of F-16's sold externally since the
JAS-39 entered into the fray?

Brooks



Regards...

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:53:14 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:25:08 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

The Grippens are a gift. When something is completely "free"
it rather skews the "cost/benefit" equation. This was simply
a PR stunt on the part of the Swedes.

Al Minyard

On the other hand it shows that it is possible to produce
an advanced and effective weapons system at a manageble
cost. In the words of Colonel Per-Olof Eldh:

http://www.gripen.com/gripen_news/gr...ws_2001_01.pdf

“Compared to other fighter aircraft
currently in service, Gripen is a totally
superior product,” he boasts. “It is a
perfect blend of simplicity and sophistication,
and by far the best handling aircraft
I have ever flown.“

“While its flyaway price is comparable to that of a
new F-16 C/D, Gripen’s operating cost of less than
US$2,500 / flying hour (including fuel and all levels
of maintenance) is unrivalled.


Regards...

This has no relevance, as the Gripens are completely free.

It's simply cost-effective.

And quoting company web sites is not a good way to
achieve credibility.

Al Minyard

It's a pilot with 3,500 hours in jets, and the
statement is nothing spectacular, it simply
emphasises the superiority of a 4ht generation
fighter compared to older designs.


Regards...

It is still company propaganda. There is no
standard for what generation an aircraft is. The
F-22 or F-25, now, are most probably the only
aircraft in the world that are "of their generation",
stealth, super-cruise (F-22), really advanced
avionics, etc. The Griped is simply not in that
class.

Al Minyard