A BFR question

Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:47 -0800, BT wrote:

They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

BT, I was under the impression that a military pilot didn't need an FAA
certificate to fly in the military. Was this an incorrect assumption?

No.

The military has it's own procedures for qualifing pilots, boat captains,
radio/radar techs, etc. that don't involve the FAA, FCC or other agencies
civilians have to deal with.

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Jim Pennino

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BT wrote:

It's true.. and it happens.. AF Trained pilots, T-37, T-38, F-15 are Multi
Engine, Centerline Thrust.
They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

No SE.


That was the case in the past. The Tweet is being retired and new pilots
have been training on the T-6A Texan II, which is a turbine powered single.
Now, the AF guys will get both single and multi instruction, like their Navy
counterparts have always had (T-34C).

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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They may or may not get the ASEL rating depending on their timing.
Not only do you have to have a valid Form 8, you also have to have a
graduation certificate from the military training school to show completion
of an "approved course of instruction". The "solo students" would not have
graduated yet. I do not know if the solo students get "solo form 8s" in
their training folders or simply endorsements.

Sorry, we've left that tid bit out of the discussion.

This is why the glider instructors at the USAFA do not get FAA Glider
certificicates. They may have soloed in gliders, and actually instructed in
gliders, but they have not completed an approved "course of instruction" and
earn glider wings.

We have had a few of the USAFA graduates that come to us to complete their
training and take the FAA Check ride for their civil glider rating.

BT

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BT wrote:

It's true.. and it happens.. AF Trained pilots, T-37, T-38, F-15 are Multi
Engine, Centerline Thrust.
They take a written, and based on military check ride (Form 8) are able to
be issued a Commercial, Instrument, Multi Engine and never know anything
about Props or P-factor or engines other than jets.

No SE.


That was the case in the past. The Tweet is being retired and new pilots
have been training on the T-6A Texan II, which is a turbine powered
single.
Now, the AF guys will get both single and multi instruction, like their
Navy
counterparts have always had (T-34C).

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:51:08 -0800 (PST), 150flivver wrote:

he may have to get SEL added
to his ticket before he can go renting a single engine.

Yup, he's got his SEL from primary training, but you are 100% right, his
MEL is limited to centerline thrust.

The part I couldn't understand was how he got a commercial ticket, which BT
explains later on in this thread.

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Dallas

I'd hate to think the system would let him back up in the sky in his
current state.

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The "system" is between him and the CFI that signs his FR. Granted, anything
happen and the FSDO just might be knocking on the CFI's door.

The other part of the "system" is the Flight School / rental operations
insurance requirements. If he is ME only, then many may require "5hrs in
type" check out and many rentals require an instrument ticket to rent ME
aircraft.

If he is ME only and wants to fly SE, then he'll need instruction and have
to pass a check ride just like you did, with the full oral exam.
He could take the check ride at the Pvt level, and his certificate would
read. Commercial Pilot Airplane with ME, Instrument ratings. Private
Privileges only Airplane SE.

Oh.. not only will he need a Flight Review, but if he wants to fly on
instruments he will need an IPC. Instrument Proficiency Check signed off by
a CFII.

BT

"Dallas" wrote in message ...

Being a new pilot I don't know much about the BFR process.

Over Xmas I was chatting with my pilot Brother-in-law about my new status
as a pilot when he stated that he thought he could just go to the local FBO
and rent an aircraft himself. I said yes and reminded him that he'd also
need a medical and a BFR.

He's a retired Air Force F-15 pilot with an FAA commercial ticket,
multiengine and instrument rating. Impressive stuff, but the last time he
flew was in 1983. While looking over a chart he had no idea what Bravo
airspace was.

It's pretty clear that his knowledge base is obsolete and he's not ready to
fly in today's sky. My question is, could he pass through the BFR process
in a couple of hours or would the instructor make him go back and hit the
books for a few weeks.

I'd hate to think the system would let him back up in the sky in his
current state.

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Dallas

Some good stuff he
http://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_catalog.aspx

"Dallas" wrote in message

He's a retired Air Force F-15 pilot with an FAA commercial ticket,
multiengine and instrument rating. Impressive stuff, but the last time he
flew was in 1983. While looking over a chart he had no idea what Bravo
airspace was.

*wince*

It's pretty clear that his knowledge base is obsolete and he's not ready
to
fly in today's sky. My question is, could he pass through the BFR process
in a couple of hours or would the instructor make him go back and hit the
books for a few weeks.

I bet that if he's that seasoned of a pilot he'll correct his own course as
soon as he realizes the situation.

-c