Free plans? Open source plans?

On Jan 25, 7:13*pm, wrote:
The second question/idea is a bit far out: Are there any "open source"
projects? It's obviously extremely difficult to exchange parts of
airplanes across the web, but people could develop something together
and everyone builds his or her own plane from the plans that come out
of this (and even those not building could bring in their expertise).
I know this is not computer software (even for a model airplane it
could work well), but has something like this been undertaken? Is it
feasible?

Oliver

If open source airplane designs worked like open source software I
wouldn't go near the end product -- because my life would depend on
it.

And if I ever find out open source software is running aircraft
systems I won't fly on it. But of course that will never happen.

I would sooner fly with open source software running my aircraft than
anything put out by Microsoft or Apple. Nothing would put the fear of
flying into me more than thinking that I was dependent on anything put
out by those to companies.

And if I ever find out open source software is running aircraft
systems I won't fly on it. But of course that will never happen.

I would sooner fly with open source software running my aircraft than
anything put out by Microsoft or Apple. *Nothing would put the fear of
flying into me more than thinking that I was dependent on anything put
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I wouldn't fly with any software by them either.

In fact I don't like software controlling aircraft at all. Written by
anyone. The more software gets involved in aircraft control, the more
major crashes will be traced back to a "software glitch." It's
happened already.

I won't be surprised if the 777 at Heathrow won't be some kind of
software glitch.

F0k that.

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And if I ever find out open source software is running aircraft
systems I won't fly on it. But of course that will never happen.
I would sooner fly with open source software running my aircraft than
anything put out by Microsoft or Apple. Nothing would put the fear of
flying into me more than thinking that I was dependent on anything put
out by those to companies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wouldn't fly with any software by them either.

In fact I don't like software controlling aircraft at all. Written by
anyone. The more software gets involved in aircraft control, the more
major crashes will be traced back to a "software glitch." It's
happened already.

I won't be surprised if the 777 at Heathrow won't be some kind of
software glitch.

F0k that.


Like there were no crashes before software got involved. The question is
how many accidents didn't happen because of software intervention.
Unfortunately we will never know.

On Jan 29, 10:39*am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
wrote:
And if I ever find out open source software is running aircraft
systems I won't fly on it. But of course that will never happen.
I would sooner fly with open source software running my aircraft than
anything put out by Microsoft or Apple. *Nothing would put the fear of
flying into me more than thinking that I was dependent on anything put
out by those to companies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wouldn't fly with any software by them either.

In fact I don't like software controlling aircraft at all. Written by
anyone. The more software gets involved in aircraft control, the more
major crashes will be traced back to a "software glitch." It's
happened already.

I won't be surprised if the 777 at Heathrow won't be some kind of
software glitch.

F0k that.

Like there were no crashes before software got involved. The question is
how many accidents didn't happen because of software intervention.
Unfortunately we will never know.- Hide quoted text -

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Excellent point!

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Like there were no crashes before software got involved. The question is
how many accidents didn't happen because of software intervention.
Unfortunately we will never know.

You could say everytime an F22 or F117 take off and land it is a crash
averted by software.

Charles

On Jan 28, 10:20*pm, wrote:
And if I ever find out open source software is running aircraft
systems I won't fly on it. But of course that will never happen.

I would sooner fly with open source software running my aircraft than
anything put out by Microsoft or Apple. *Nothing would put the fear of
flying into me more than thinking that I was dependent on anything put
out by those to companies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wouldn't fly with any software by them either.

In fact I don't like software controlling aircraft at all. Written by
anyone. The more software gets involved in aircraft control, the more
major crashes will be traced back to a "software glitch." It's
happened already.

I won't be surprised if the 777 at Heathrow won't be some kind of
software glitch.

F0k that.

Computers and the software that we run on them are TOOLS and should be
used to supplement the capabilities of those using them. The TOOLS
should not be in charge for the simple reason that they can not reason
and make decisions on anything not previously programmed into them.
When we allow those TOOLS to override our requests, we are at the
mercy of our lack of ability to anticipate all possible events.

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If open source airplane designs worked like open source software I
wouldn't go near the end product -- because my life would depend on
it.

And if I ever find out open source software is running aircraft
systems I won't fly on it. But of course that will never happen.

You'd rather fly an airplane with systems running in Windows rather than
Unix? I don't think you have a clue.

--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive.



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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:48:28 -0800 (PST), Oliver Arend
wrote:

The first question is really simple: Are there any free plans for
homebuilt aircraft on the web? It should have an engine and be able to
carry a person, apart from that I'm just interested in seeing what's
out there, if any...

The second question/idea is a bit far out: Are there any "open source"
projects? It's obviously extremely difficult to exchange parts of
airplanes across the web, but people could develop something together
and everyone builds his or her own plane from the plans that come out
of this (and even those not building could bring in their expertise).
I know this is not computer software (even for a model airplane it
could work well), but has something like this been undertaken? Is it
feasible?

Oliver

oliver your innocence has hidden something important from you.
the paper drawing is merely an implementation of a design.
what you must have and understand for designs that you build from
anonymous sources is the design calculations. these match the material
strengths and the structural layout to the predicted flight loads.
without these you have no idea what you are building.

if you are interested in a design then ask whether there were design
calculations. if there arent you need to develop the understanding
needed to do reverse engineering calcs for your self.

Stealth Pilot

oliver your innocence has hidden something important from you.

Not exactly, as I've been studying aerospace engineering for about 5
years now. I know, unfortunately that's no proof of knowledge,
experience or wisdom...

what you must have and understand for designs that you build from
anonymous sources is the design calculations.

This could easily be integrated into an open source aircraft project,
don't you think? You take the structural members of the wing, the
flaps, whichever component (I know it becomes very tricky for certain
parts), do the calcs, and if it holds up you draw up the plan. If it
doesn't, back to the design.
This way the other participants could at least theoretically verify
what one has designed. And if you have a decent number of
participants, there will hardly be any points missed. Imagine an open-
source plane flying as well as Wikipedia compares to "regular"
encyclopedias like the Enc. Britannica or the Brockhaus.

Oliver