Discovery Flight today...unexpected results

Oh DGS, please ignore this guy (MXS). He is not a pilot, not a student,
just a wannabe who likes to pretend.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic wrote:
DGS writes:

Hard to tell but judging from his age and lack of compassion over the
situation it's very possible. I don't really know of a tactful way to
ask him this.

Ask him how long he has been an instructor. If the answer is twenty years,
he's probably not just instructing as a stepping stone to a professional
pilot's job. If the answer is six months, then he probably isn't a career
instructor.

I always find it odd that the FAA has set things up so that practically all
instructors are totally amateur teachers who care only about accumulating
hours. Seems like a dangerous way to teach new students.

In the real world as opposed to the simulated one Mxsmanic "flys" in,
most FBO's have a mix of old timers and youngsters building time for
a better job.

In my experiance paying real money to real people for real instruction
in real airplanes, I don't see any overall difference in quality in
either group.

Both groups can have rotten apples and real jewels.


--
Jim Pennino

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DGS wrote:
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Any feedback or experiences anyone can share? At this point I'm
really torn about trying again, while on the other hand still not
necessarily ready to back down from the challenge. Does this get
better? Or worse?

I had a similar experience. But I stayed with the guy for another
lesson or two until he nearly scared me to death. When I finally
returned to flying it was with a different instructor and after a few
thorough readings of Stick and Rudder. I soloed a few weeks later. In
my opinion this is something where student/instructor compatibility is
critical. To this day I don't click with all of them. And I only fly
with the ones I'm comfortable with and learn from. YMMV. I suppose if
you want to fly for the airlines, the day will come when you won't get
to choose who's giving you your training. Right now you have choices.

Tom

On Feb 10, 7:30*am, "T. McQuinn" wrote:
DGS wrote:
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Any feedback or experiences anyone can share? *At this point I'm
really torn about trying again, while on the other hand still not
necessarily ready to back down from the challenge. *Does this get
better? *Or worse?

I had a similar experience. *But I stayed with the guy for another
lesson or two until he nearly scared me to death. *When I finally
returned to flying it was with a different instructor and after a few
thorough readings of Stick and Rudder. *I soloed a few weeks later. *In
my opinion this is something where student/instructor compatibility is
critical. *To this day I don't click with all of them. *And I only fly
with the ones I'm comfortable with and learn from. YMMV. *I suppose if
you want to fly for the airlines, the day will come when you won't get
to choose who's giving you your training. *Right now you have choices.

* * Tom

Yes, Stick and Rudder -- I advise strongly that you read it. I did
before I ever got in a plane. It may help a lot toward minimizing your
nervous feeling, and also find a different instructor. Consider
telling them about your first experience, and how the other instructor
made it worse, and what you're looking for.

I think the instructor you were with should not have said "It's not
good to be too nervous" on your first flight. That could only make
things worse, from a pedagogic perspective.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:30:42 -0500, "T. McQuinn"
wrote:

I had a similar experience. But I stayed with the guy for another
lesson or two until he nearly scared me to death.

That's what I'm afraid this guy will do...he seemed like the type that
didn't mind a bit that he WAS scaring me to death. He also took great
pleasure after he took over the controls in performing some stalls. He
almost seemed a bit disappointed that they didn't bother me at all.
Nothing bothered me once HE had the controls...I was only effected
when I was driving.

DGS wrote:
That's what I'm afraid this guy will do...he seemed like the type that
didn't mind a bit that he WAS scaring me to death. He also took great
pleasure after he took over the controls in performing some stalls. He
almost seemed a bit disappointed that they didn't bother me at all.

Run away from this guy. He had a nervous student/passenger, and then he
performs some stalls? Never mind whether that part actually bothered you
or not, he had NO business doing this based on what he already knew about
your reaction to the flight.

.... Alan
--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:09:15 -0600, DGS
wrote:


Any feedback or experiences anyone can share?

That's all totally normal. G

It's also normal to shop a bit for an instructor you "click" with.
Since you'll spend a decent amount of time in close quarters, under
hot, cold, and stressful conditions, the relationship is important.

Go chat with some more guys and gals, and see how you feel with them.

DGS, if you live near mid Michigan give me a jingle on here... I know
some instructors who would give their eyeteeth to have a motivated
student who can actually afford the instruction - and they know how to
teach without frightening the student...

cheers ... denny

B A R R Y wrote:

It's also normal to shop a bit for an instructor you "click" with.
Since you'll spend a decent amount of time in close quarters, under
hot, cold, and stressful conditions, the relationship is important.

Go chat with some more guys and gals, and see how you feel with them.

Unless you just dislike the guy, it is also recommended to
talk to the instructor about your feelings and expectations.
Communication is a key ingredient (even requirement) between
CFI and student.

Sometimes too often I hear advice such as "go find another CFI.."
when in reality simply sitting down with your CFI to discuss
concerns and/or feelings can open up a whole new channel of
communication with each other. Potentially the CFI can develop
a new respect for a student because he sees they are serious
about their training, know what they want and are not afraid
to express themselves regarding their feelings, concerns and
expectations. The student does have a level of responsibility
to communicate with the instructor and the instructor has the
responsibility to respond to and accept the student. From
this relationship the learning process takes place.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:25:07 GMT, kontiki
wrote:

Unless you just dislike the guy, it is also recommended to
talk to the instructor about your feelings and expectations.

If i stick with him I definitely will be discussing these things.
First I plan on calling another FBO at the same airport and talking to
one of their instructors first.