Twin engine wing-jumper

On Feb 15, 9:56*am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:





On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

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If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:



On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.

On Feb 15, 10:17*am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:





On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! *I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. *I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

I bought a poster of this sometime ago. I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. AWESOME
poster!!


"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message
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On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

On Feb 16, 12:34 am, "Ted" TBBlakeley@comcastDOTnet wrote:
I bought a poster of this sometime ago. I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. AWESOME
poster!!

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...
On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Oh hell yes.

I was shooting video for the 1994 Ballunar Fest in Houston and we were
jumping an older DeHavilland Caribou... The group of jumpers was
Deguello, a 20 person competitive jump team with about 35-50 persons
all told either in or out at any given time.

The PIC told the team capt that we could crowd as tight as we liked on
the ramp prior to exit as there was no way in hell we could stall his
aircraft, even jumping at 13K+ ft. This is filed under famous last
words...

I'm 1st out hanging on by literally a toe and my right hand while the
gang o' 40 is piling up on the ramp. I'd been either practicing or
jumping in competition for the past 4 years so I'd gotten used to the
'feel' of a group giving the exit count...as this one got to 'ready' -
'set' = 'go' I felt a beautifully timed change of pitch just as 'go'
was uttered...I mean it was if the pilot had been listening in and was
an excellent jumper...the ramp literally fell away beneath my 'toe!'.

On the ground after I found a few battered jumpers some of whom had
made their last jump for the weeknd having endured gashes and what not
upon the exit which I found was not the smoothly choreographed thing
of beauty after all but rather was a floundering en masse exit of a
plane in a high speed stall. Seemed that nice pitch out was the plane
stalling.....

So we did it again at a higher speed...but this time I was on trail
exit...and this time I got to not only stumble, fall and land on my
chest while watching the 'clump' fall away but got to experience
jumpers stumbling, tripping and stepping on me while I hung over and
finally pulled my way over the edge of the ramp to exit the Caribou.
Big fun...so much for 'you can't stall my aircraft'.

I'm sorry, but if you plant 40 jumpers at an avg weight of ~190lbs on
the ramp (all ON the ramp) of a Caribou...the plane is gonna
stall....because while they might start out spread out
comfortably...when the count starts they will literally be hugging
each other en masse. Think of an orgy only closer.

The exciting part was watching the video fo the jumps...each jump
captured (from the 1st exit video) a shot of the plane as jumpers came
out...and on each jump the port side was trailing a little
smoke...then a little more...then aliitle more....then a lot....

On sunday the PIC said...'enough' and we didnt' jump...he
taxiid...rotated...and blew a jug and did a nice 180 and landed with a
fist sized hole in one fo the cylinders.

Sigh. The good. Old. Days.

On Feb 17, 7:24*pm, wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:34 am, "Ted" TBBlakeley@comcastDOTnet wrote:





I bought a poster of this sometime ago. * I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. *AWESOME
poster!!

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...
On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Oh hell yes.

I was shooting video for the 1994 Ballunar Fest in Houston and we were
jumping an older DeHavilland Caribou... *The group of jumpers was
Deguello, a 20 person competitive jump team with about 35-50 persons
all told either in or out at any given time.

The PIC told the team capt that we could crowd as tight as we liked on
the ramp prior to exit as there was no way in hell we could stall his
aircraft, even jumping at 13K+ ft. *This is filed under famous last
words...

I'm 1st out hanging on by literally a toe and my right hand while the
gang o' 40 is piling up on the ramp. *I'd been either practicing or
jumping in competition for the past 4 years so I'd gotten used to the
'feel' of a group giving the exit count...as this one got to 'ready' -
'set' = 'go' I felt a beautifully timed change of pitch just as 'go'
was uttered...I mean it was if the pilot had been listening in and was
an excellent jumper...the ramp literally fell away beneath my 'toe!'.

On the ground after I found a few battered jumpers some of whom had
made their last jump for the weeknd having endured gashes and what not
upon the exit which I found was not the smoothly choreographed thing
of beauty after all but rather was a floundering en masse exit of a
plane in a high speed stall. *Seemed that nice pitch out was the plane
stalling.....

So we did it again at a higher speed...but this time I was on trail
exit...and this time I got to not only stumble, fall and land on my
chest while watching the 'clump' fall away but got to experience
jumpers stumbling, tripping and stepping on me while I hung over and
finally pulled my way over the edge of the ramp to exit the Caribou.
Big fun...so much for 'you can't stall my aircraft'.

I'm sorry, but if you plant 40 jumpers at an avg weight of ~190lbs on
the ramp (all ON the ramp) of a Caribou...the plane is gonna
stall....because while they might start out spread out
comfortably...when the count starts they will literally be hugging
each other en masse. *Think of an orgy only closer.

The exciting part was watching the video fo the jumps...each jump
captured (from the 1st exit video) a shot of the plane as jumpers came
out...and on each jump the port side was *trailing a little
smoke...then a little more...then aliitle more....then a lot....

On sunday the PIC said...'enough' and we didnt' jump...he
taxiid...rotated...and blew a jug and did a nice 180 and landed with a
fist sized hole in one fo the cylinders.

Sigh. *The good. *Old. Days.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Then there was the time at Perris with the D-18 when I was pulling a
load up thru various altitudes, a couple here, a few there and we were
headed for 12.5 for some AAF with 4 guys left. Don Balch was the JM
and I was doing a racetrack pattern in the climb. As we were going
thru 11K, I lost the blower on the right engine on the jump leg and I
hollered back "JUMP RUN" and Balch comes forward pointing at his
altimeter saying "12.5" and I replied "We lost our right engine..."
and he didn't even slow down as he smoothly pivoted around hollering
"JUMP RUN" and they all headed out. I'm still laughing at how little
argument I got for the low jump run...!

On Feb 17, 8:37 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Feb 17, 7:24 pm, wrote:



On Feb 16, 12:34 am, "Ted" TBBlakeley@comcastDOTnet wrote:

I bought a poster of this sometime ago. I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. AWESOME
poster!!

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...
On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Oh hell yes.

I was shooting video for the 1994 Ballunar Fest in Houston and we were
jumping an older DeHavilland Caribou... The group of jumpers was
Deguello, a 20 person competitive jump team with about 35-50 persons
all told either in or out at any given time.

The PIC told the team capt that we could crowd as tight as we liked on
the ramp prior to exit as there was no way in hell we could stall his
aircraft, even jumping at 13K+ ft. This is filed under famous last
words...

I'm 1st out hanging on by literally a toe and my right hand while the
gang o' 40 is piling up on the ramp. I'd been either practicing or
jumping in competition for the past 4 years so I'd gotten used to the
'feel' of a group giving the exit count...as this one got to 'ready' -
'set' = 'go' I felt a beautifully timed change of pitch just as 'go'
was uttered...I mean it was if the pilot had been listening in and was
an excellent jumper...the ramp literally fell away beneath my 'toe!'.

On the ground after I found a few battered jumpers some of whom had
made their last jump for the weeknd having endured gashes and what not
upon the exit which I found was not the smoothly choreographed thing
of beauty after all but rather was a floundering en masse exit of a
plane in a high speed stall. Seemed that nice pitch out was the plane
stalling.....

So we did it again at a higher speed...but this time I was on trail
exit...and this time I got to not only stumble, fall and land on my
chest while watching the 'clump' fall away but got to experience
jumpers stumbling, tripping and stepping on me while I hung over and
finally pulled my way over the edge of the ramp to exit the Caribou.
Big fun...so much for 'you can't stall my aircraft'.

I'm sorry, but if you plant 40 jumpers at an avg weight of ~190lbs on
the ramp (all ON the ramp) of a Caribou...the plane is gonna
stall....because while they might start out spread out
comfortably...when the count starts they will literally be hugging
each other en masse. Think of an orgy only closer.

The exciting part was watching the video fo the jumps...each jump
captured (from the 1st exit video) a shot of the plane as jumpers came
out...and on each jump the port side was trailing a little
smoke...then a little more...then aliitle more....then a lot....

On sunday the PIC said...'enough' and we didnt' jump...he
taxiid...rotated...and blew a jug and did a nice 180 and landed with a
fist sized hole in one fo the cylinders.

Sigh. The good. Old. Days.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Then there was the time at Perris with the D-18 when I was pulling a
load up thru various altitudes, a couple here, a few there and we were
headed for 12.5 for some AAF with 4 guys left. Don Balch was the JM
and I was doing a racetrack pattern in the climb. As we were going
thru 11K, I lost the blower on the right engine on the jump leg and I
hollered back "JUMP RUN" and Balch comes forward pointing at his
altimeter saying "12.5" and I replied "We lost our right engine..."
and he didn't even slow down as he smoothly pivoted around hollering
"JUMP RUN" and they all headed out. I'm still laughing at how little
argument I got for the low jump run...!

Well, they only love you for the altitude after all. I remember my
first *landing* in a Cessna 210 after 100's of jumps. We cleared the
pines at the end of the runway going at some gawdawful speed such that
I knew we were gonna die in a flaming twisted pile of gas soaked
wreckage....musta been just above stall speed but compared to the
20~25mph full glide approach then 0 mph flare and touch down I was
used to under canopy this suicidal madness. Never did like Cessna
landings, ****ers were better, especially from the right seat. Had a
chance to do a little wingover once when the last (tandem) group left,
looked good on video. If you worked the angles right (as a camera
guy) you could keep the tandem and plane in frame for a good 10-15
seconds.

Pilots are nuts.... ;-)

On Feb 14, 7:42*pm, "gatt" wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Looks like fun. I would wear shoes though.

Wil

On Feb 17, 11:47*pm, Clark wrote:
William Hung wrote in news:afe16f3e-08bf-462d-8c63-
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On Feb 14, 7:42*pm, "gatt" wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Looks like fun. *I would wear shoes though.

Wot? And risk scratching the paint?

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there should be a "sig" here

Didn't think of that.

Wil