NOTAM!

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:46:49 -0800 (PST), William Hung
wrote:


WASHINGTON - A missile launched from a Navy ship successfully struck
a
dying U.S. spy satellite passing 130 miles over the Pacific on
Wednesday, a defense official said.

Dying? That sucker was deat a week after they launched it.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 2008-02-20 04:35:34 -0800, Denny said:

I have a bad feeling about the military's intent to publically take a
shot at it... dumb, dumb, dumb, and dumber - and likely to fail...
So, here we go again, the laughing stock of the world...
Also, totally unnecessary as the heat of reentry will set off the
'toxic' hypergolic fuel leaving nothing but scrap metal to impact...
So, the desire to destroy HAS to be based in other reasons...
At least the chinese were smart enough to take their shots in secret
and only announce AFTER they hit it...
But not our gov't and pentagon, nope, no waay, shoot their mouths off
ahead of time so we can look really stupid...

denny

No, you are speaking only for yourself...
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

02/062 (A0038/08) - AIRSPACE CARF NR. 90 ON EVELYN STATIONARY RESERVATION
WITHIN AN AREA BNDD BY 3145N 17012W 2824N 16642W 2352N 16317W 1909N
16129W 1241N 16129W 1239N 16532W 1842N 17057W 2031N 17230W 2703N 17206W
SFC-UNL. 21 FEB 02:30 2008 UNTIL 21 FEB 05:00 2008. CREATED: 18 FEB 12:51
2008

Ah, communication. Who *writes* these things? I can't even tell you what
state(s) this thing is talking about, without donning my pilots decoder
ring.

I still remember flying in the desert Southwest, far from home, and having a
briefer read a forest fire NOTAM to me in this sort of language, over the
radio. No reference to landmarks. No reference to cities. Just LAT/LON.
Useless.

Almost as bad are the ones that say "13 miles from the Blather VOR, on the
178 radial" -- leaving you to figure out where in hell the Blather VOR is...
Good luck finding it on your sectional chart, in flight, in the dark.

Is there some reason these things can't use commonly known landmarks
(cities, national parks, rivers, etc.) to communicate their message? Or
are we back to that "In the olden days, computer disk space was very
expensive, so we developed cryptic shorthand codes to enable us to deliver
lots of information" excuse -- even though I can now buy a terabyte hard
drive for a couple of hundred bucks at Best Buy?

The only worse example of communication in aviation (IMHO) is the IFR
student practicing approaches who announces their position to a full VFR
pattern by saying "I'm on the published missed for the GPS 25 approach".
Those words convey nothing to VFR pilots.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:gpXuj.42015$9j6.32075@attbi_s22...

02/062 (A0038/08) - AIRSPACE CARF NR. 90 ON EVELYN STATIONARY RESERVATION
WITHIN AN AREA BNDD BY 3145N 17012W 2824N 16642W 2352N 16317W 1909N
16129W 1241N 16129W 1239N 16532W 1842N 17057W 2031N 17230W 2703N
17206W SFC-UNL. 21 FEB 02:30 2008 UNTIL 21 FEB 05:00 2008. CREATED: 18
FEB 12:51 2008

Ah, communication. Who *writes* these things? I can't even tell you
what state(s) this thing is talking about, without donning my pilots
decoder ring.


You shouldn't have to study it very long to realize the area described is in
the Pacific Ocean and the only US state in the general vicinity is Hawaii.



I still remember flying in the desert Southwest, far from home, and having
a briefer read a forest fire NOTAM to me in this sort of language, over
the radio. No reference to landmarks. No reference to cities. Just
LAT/LON. Useless.


It's not useless if you carry charts.



Almost as bad are the ones that say "13 miles from the Blather VOR, on the
178 radial" -- leaving you to figure out where in hell the Blather VOR
is... Good luck finding it on your sectional chart, in flight, in the
dark.


Why would you have to find Blather VOR at all? If you know where you are
and you can't find Blather VOR anyehere near your position or route you know
the NOTAM doesn't affect you.



Is there some reason these things can't use commonly known landmarks
(cities, national parks, rivers, etc.) to communicate their message?


That would make locating them more difficult.

On Feb 20, 10:10*am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
02/062 (A0038/08) - AIRSPACE CARF NR. 90 ON EVELYN STATIONARY RESERVATION
WITHIN AN AREA BNDD BY 3145N 17012W 2824N 16642W 2352N 16317W 1909N
16129W 1241N 16129W 1239N 16532W 1842N 17057W 2031N 17230W 2703N 17206W
SFC-UNL. 21 FEB 02:30 2008 UNTIL 21 FEB 05:00 2008. CREATED: 18 FEB 12:51
2008

Ah, communication. * Who *writes* these things? * I can't even tell you what
state(s) this thing is talking about, without donning my pilots decoder
ring.

I still remember flying in the desert Southwest, far from home, and having a
briefer read a forest fire NOTAM to me in this sort of language, over the
radio. *No reference to landmarks. *No reference to cities. *Just LAT/LON.
Useless.

Almost as bad are the ones that say "13 miles from the Blather VOR, on the
178 radial" -- leaving you to figure out where in hell the Blather VOR is....
Good luck finding it on your sectional chart, in flight, in the dark.

Is there some reason these things can't use commonly known landmarks
(cities, national parks, rivers, etc.) to communicate their message? * Or
are we back to that "In the olden days, computer disk space was very
expensive, so we developed cryptic shorthand codes to enable us to deliver
lots of information" excuse -- even though I can now buy a terabyte hard
drive for a couple of hundred bucks at Best Buy?

The only worse example of communication in aviation (IMHO) is the IFR
student practicing approaches who announces their position to a full VFR
pattern by saying "I'm on the published missed for the GPS 25 approach".
Those words convey nothing to VFR pilots.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

It is to separate the men from the boys Jay. g

Wil

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:gpXuj.42015$9j6.32075@attbi_s22:



The only worse example of communication in aviation (IMHO) is the IFR
student practicing approaches who announces their position to a full
VFR pattern by saying "I'm on the published missed for the GPS 25
approach". Those words convey nothing to VFR pilots.


Oh great, another perambulating menace.


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:gpXuj.42015$9j6.32075@attbi_s22:

02/062 (A0038/08) - AIRSPACE CARF NR. 90 ON EVELYN STATIONARY
RESERVATION WITHIN AN AREA BNDD BY 3145N 17012W 2824N 16642W 2352N
16317W 1909N 16129W 1241N 16129W 1239N 16532W 1842N 17057W 2031N
17230W 2703N 17206W SFC-UNL. 21 FEB 02:30 2008 UNTIL 21 FEB 05:00
2008. CREATED: 18 FEB 12:51 2008

Ah, communication. Who *writes* these things? I can't even tell
you what state(s) this thing is talking about, without donning my
pilots decoder ring.



Just had to read this again to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.

jesus wept.


bertie