Near crash Luftansa - check video

But for the unfortunate gust of wind at just the wrong moment, it would
have been a good landing in difficult conditions.

I can't tell what happened from the video but it also looks like the
pilot raised the right wing just as he/she was aligning the plane just
prior to touchdown.

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:
But for the unfortunate gust of wind at just the wrong moment, it would
have been a good landing in difficult conditions.

I can't tell what happened from the video but it also looks like the
pilot raised the right wing just as he/she was aligning the plane just
prior to touchdown.


The right wing raised, yes, but indications are that this was due a gust
of wind, not pilot control input.

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:

Ron Lee wrote:
But for the unfortunate gust of wind at just the wrong moment, it would
have been a good landing in difficult conditions.

I can't tell what happened from the video but it also looks like the
pilot raised the right wing just as he/she was aligning the plane just
prior to touchdown.


The right wing raised, yes, but indications are that this was due a gust
of wind, not pilot control input.

Maybe. That it had a gust at the same time as he straightened to
align the plan and did not lower the right wing suggests a doomed
approach.

Ron Lee

In article ,
Sylvia Else wrote:

Ron Lee wrote:
But for the unfortunate gust of wind at just the wrong moment, it would
have been a good landing in difficult conditions.

I can't tell what happened from the video but it also looks like the
pilot raised the right wing just as he/she was aligning the plane just
prior to touchdown.


The right wing raised, yes, but indications are that this was due a gust
of wind, not pilot control input.

What indications?

rg

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Looks like the pilot needs some crosswind training.


Was there no alternative airport???

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Looks like the pilot needs some crosswind training.
But for the unfortunate gust of wind at just the wrong moment, it would
have been a good landing in difficult conditions.

If there is any training involved, it would be as regard the pilots
decision to attempt a landing, if, but only if, it's demonstrated that the
landing took place when the crosswind component (as reported to the crew)
exceeded that certificated for the aircraft.

Sylvia.

So who established the cause was "an unfortunate gust of wind"?

It looks much more likely the pilot may have inadvertently used aileron
instead of rudder correction.
We have no information on the experience of the pilot. May well have been a
junior pilot.
Let us accept that it may simply have been a poorly executed attempt to land
by a pilot with insufficient experience for what were undoubtedly difficult
conditions.

The reality is that there is a huge range of both experience and ability
amongst pilots. This ability/experience is not fully appreciated until a
really challenging situation develops.

John

John Ewing wrote:
"Sylvia Else" wrote in message
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aluckyguess wrote:
"Rowan" wrote in message
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http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/...strous_landing

Looks like the pilot needs some crosswind training.
But for the unfortunate gust of wind at just the wrong moment, it would
have been a good landing in difficult conditions.

If there is any training involved, it would be as regard the pilots
decision to attempt a landing, if, but only if, it's demonstrated that the
landing took place when the crosswind component (as reported to the crew)
exceeded that certificated for the aircraft.

Sylvia.

So who established the cause was "an unfortunate gust of wind"?

It looks much more likely the pilot may have inadvertently used aileron
instead of rudder correction.

We have no information on the experience of the pilot. May well have been a
junior pilot.

Let us accept that it may simply have been a poorly executed attempt to land
by a pilot with insufficient experience for what were undoubtedly difficult
conditions.


From the video it looks to me as if the pilot had just used rudder to
point the aircraft down the runway, with wings level, and was about to
touch done. I cannot see why any pilot, experienced or otherwise, would
suddenly apply left ailerons at that point.

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:

From the video it looks to me as if the pilot had just used rudder to
point the aircraft down the runway, with wings level, and was about to
touch done. I cannot see why any pilot, experienced or otherwise, would
suddenly apply left ailerons at that point.

Sylvia.

I also see no attempt to lower the right wing to prevent what we saw
happen.

Keep the wings level and guess what happens? Just watch the video.

Ron Lee

On Mar 8, 1:01 am, (Ron Lee) wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

From the video it looks to me as if the pilot had just used rudder to
point the aircraft down the runway, with wings level, and was about to
touch done. I cannot see why any pilot, experienced or otherwise, would
suddenly apply left ailerons at that point.

Sylvia.

I also see no attempt to lower the right wing to prevent what we saw
happen.

Keep the wings level and guess what happens? Just watch the video.

Ron Lee

G;Day Ron . What you say above is appropriate in a piloting sense.
However, I am very interested to await the publishing of the FDR
parameters .
Not being up to speed on how much aileron authority one has in an
A320 that close to the deck and the squat switched not telling the
computer and other whiz bang gear that may have been disallowing the
pilot and not able to see what the wind socks did at that *precise*
moment.

The rudder did move a tad when going through the flick frame by
frame . He apparently has 17 years with LH How much time on type is
unknown.

But at least he got the pax and hull back without any blood & gore
Still looks like cows guts WX though.

But looks like things got a tad ahead of him/her starting way out as
per the film

Even allowing for the speed of sound to reach that cameras mic it
sounds like he started to spool up at about 100 just BEFORE the left
wing dipped
and had already started to initiate a go around albeit a poofteenth
too late.

If you are Ron Lee the ex test pilot your take on things would be
far more informed than mine

Ron Lee wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
From the video it looks to me as if the pilot had just used rudder to
point the aircraft down the runway, with wings level, and was about to
touch done. I cannot see why any pilot, experienced or otherwise, would
suddenly apply left ailerons at that point.

Sylvia.

I also see no attempt to lower the right wing to prevent what we saw
happen.

What would such an attempt look like?

Sylvia.