ATC Phraseology

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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If there had been 40 knots of wind it would have been issued as "four
zero",
not "forty".

It *should* have been issued as "four zero".

I've heard plenty of non-standard phraseology from ATC.

The wind speed makes a lot more difference to the guy in the plane than it
does to the guy in the tower. I would have asked.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
news:ZbeCj.10195$iD2.4491@trndny09...

It *should* have been issued as "four zero".

I've heard plenty of non-standard phraseology from ATC.


Like what?



The wind speed makes a lot more difference to the guy in the plane than it
does to the guy in the tower. I would have asked.


A sharp pilot that thinks he may have missed a digit prior to the "four"
might have responded "confirm wind *ONE* 4" or "confirm wind *TWO* 4", but
he would know wind speeds are not issued with leading zeros.

A sharp pilot would have looked at the wind sock and said "to himself"
...yeah that's about right.

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BobF.
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Steve Foley" wrote in message
news:ZbeCj.10195$iD2.4491@trndny09...

It *should* have been issued as "four zero".

I've heard plenty of non-standard phraseology from ATC.


Like what?



The wind speed makes a lot more difference to the guy in the plane than
it
does to the guy in the tower. I would have asked.


A sharp pilot that thinks he may have missed a digit prior to the "four"
might have responded "confirm wind *ONE* 4" or "confirm wind *TWO* 4", but
he would know wind speeds are not issued with leading zeros.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I'd say both were appropriate. The AC asked; the controller answered; the
AC wasn't sure whether he heard "four" or "forty" (although it should have
been painfully obvious), and so the controller clarified his original
answer.


If there had been 40 knots of wind it would have been issued as "four zero",
not "forty".


Most likely but it wouldn't be the first time I've heard nonstandard phrasing.



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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:57:03 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
Was the Citation pilot's pedantic request appropriate? Must
controllers prepend a "zero" to single-digit wind speeds?


I'd say both were appropriate. The AC asked; the controller answered; the AC
wasn't sure whether he heard "four" or "forty" (although it should have been
painfully obvious), and so the controller clarified his original answer.


I agree with you about the appropriateness of querying the controller
if there is any question, but in this case, if you had heard the
rather flip pilot and resignation of the controller, it would be
pretty apparent that his question wasn't about a misunderstanding.
This is borne out somewhat by the fact that the controller failed to
respond to the pilot's initial question.

Larry Dighera wrote:
I agree with you about the appropriateness of querying the controller
if there is any question, but in this case, if you had heard the
rather flip pilot and resignation of the controller, it would be
pretty apparent that his question wasn't about a misunderstanding.
This is borne out somewhat by the fact that the controller failed to
respond to the pilot's initial question.


You're right that I didn't hear the tone used by the pilot; I'll take your word
for it he was just acting like a prick. God knows there's enough of them out
there.

I remember sitting in a hold with a bunch of other aircraft all waiting their
turn for a shot at one of the ILS approaches to Charlotte. There were
thunderboomers EVERYWHERE. Everybody wanted down ASAP. It was getting pretty
tense.

Anyway, there was this one USAir jet that was cleared for the approach who
apparently had been broken off from a previous approach. A whiny voice asked"
Can I assume we'll actually be allowed to complete this approach?"

The next sound heard over the airways was "BITCH, BITCH, BITCH!"

When the controller answered the guy you could hear people in the background
laughing. The fearless aviator had nothing more to say.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:57:03 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
Was the Citation pilot's pedantic request appropriate? Must
controllers prepend a "zero" to single-digit wind speeds?

I'd say both were appropriate. The AC asked; the controller answered; the AC
wasn't sure whether he heard "four" or "forty" (although it should have been
painfully obvious), and so the controller clarified his original answer.


I agree with you about the appropriateness of querying the controller
if there is any question, but in this case, if you had heard the
rather flip pilot and resignation of the controller, it would be
pretty apparent that his question wasn't about a misunderstanding.
This is borne out somewhat by the fact that the controller failed to
respond to the pilot's initial question.

So now you have graduated from netkop to atccop.

Move'n On Up

Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:57:03 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:
Was the Citation pilot's pedantic request appropriate? Must
controllers prepend a "zero" to single-digit wind speeds?

I'd say both were appropriate. The AC asked; the controller
answered; the AC wasn't sure whether he heard "four" or "forty"
(although it should have been painfully obvious), and so the
controller clarified his original answer.


I agree with you about the appropriateness of querying the controller
if there is any question, but in this case, if you had heard the
rather flip pilot and resignation of the controller, it would be
pretty apparent that his question wasn't about a misunderstanding.
This is borne out somewhat by the fact that the controller failed to
respond to the pilot's initial question.

So now you have graduated from netkop to atccop.

Move'n On Up


Bwwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!


Bertie

Was the Citation pilot's pedantic request appropriate? *Must
controllers prepend a "zero" to single-digit wind speeds?

I've never heard a controller or ATIS or ASOS or AWOS state wind is
"at zero four" when they mean "at four".

However, maybe the Citation pilot had static or otherwise bad
reception -- he wanted to make sure it wasn't "four zero". In other
words, he *might* have heard "wind 150 at 4static burst or heterodyne
squeal". In which case you might ask for clarification without being
pedantic.

I can't remember if that squeal that is caused by stepping on someone
else's transmission is called "heterodyne" or not.

In article
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says...


Was the Citation pilot's pedantic request appropriate? *Must
controllers prepend a "zero" to single-digit wind speeds?


It's possible the Citation pilot was not being pedantic, but simply
wanted to check. Contributors here are assuming that the "04" is to
distinguish it from "40" - but that's not the only possibility. The
Citation pilot could also be checking that there was not some other
vocable he didn't quite get - like "one-four". . .

The OP didn't tell us what the overall "tone" of the exchange was -
could be that the Cessna pilot was being a prick - but it could just as
well be he wasn't sure if there was a "one" in there . . .