Russia's 'Blackjacks' fly again

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Not quite 'copied', not like the B-29/Tu-4.


Tried spot-the-difference with the Yak-100 -vs- the Sikorsky S-51?.

Nope, I'm sill looking.

Jim D

In message , Krztalizer
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Where did they pirate
the design of the ZSU-23-4 from?

Flakvierling..?

Putting a quad gun on a tracked chassis wasn't original. The radar
control was: I'm not aware of preceding Western equivalents.

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W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

Andy Dingley wrote:

:On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:31:24 +0000 (UTC), "DM"
wrote:
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:And the Mig 25 resembles which plane? ;-)
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:Saunders-Roe SR53

They don't look ANYTHING alike.

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-- Charles Pinckney

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:57:21 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

:And the Mig 25 resembles which plane? ;-)
:
:Saunders-Roe SR53

They don't look ANYTHING alike.

I'm not claiming they look alike. With the totally different wing
geometry, they don't even have similar handling (the SR-53 has more in
common with the (N)F-104)

What they do have in common is a design requirement from high command.
Get up there quick, kill something fast, then return to base.

Keith's right - the Lightning is an even closer match. Similar engine
technology to the Foxbat, even if the wings and inlets are barely
related. The surprising thing about the Mig-25 is its long range. Yes,
_long_. Can you imagine a reconaissance version of the even-thirstier
Lightning ?

There's a visual resemblance between the Mig-25, the F-15, the Tornado
and even Concorde :- 2-D ramped inlets. If you design a Mach 2
aircraft in the '60s, using Fortran running on punch-cards, then
movable flat ramps are what you end up with. They'll work at a higher
speed and AoA than something like an F-4 or F-5's side-mounted pitot
and splitter plate inlets, or even the F-104's or Mirage's half-cones.
A "simpler" high-performance inlet like Eurofighter needs a great deal
more gas-flow modelling to make it work, and it just wasn't possible
back then.

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In article ,
says...

There's a visual resemblance between the Mig-25, the F-15, the Tornado
and even Concorde :- 2-D ramped inlets.

Hmmm... all copied from the Arrow, then.....

Cheers,
dba

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:17:45 GMT, (Brian
Allardice) wrote:

Hmmm... all copied from the Arrow, then.....

Oh no ! He mentioned the Arrow ! Abandon thread !

If one is going to bring up "copying", how about within only the US? The
Lockheed Electra (as in Amelia Earhart) & the Beech 18? DC-10 & L-1011?
B707 & DC-8? Luscombe 8 & Cessna 120/140? Piper Cherokee & Beech
Musketeer? And there are more examples. Who "copied" whom? These are as
much copies of each other as any of the USSR stuff is.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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What they do have in common is a design requirement from high
command.
Get up there quick, kill something fast, then return to base.

The surprising thing about the Mig-25 is its long range. Yes,
_long_.

Interceptors are designed for defensive, not offensive, work. The
Mig-25 was designed to defend the Soviet Union from mach 3 atomic
bombers. The Soviet Union was _big_, really big. Hence the long
range of the Mig-25.

The WWII Spitfire/Hurricanes were also interceptors, but Great Britain
is a tiny country. Hence their short legs.

Form follows function. Have you ever noticed that despite the
superficial similarity of the Mig-25 to the later F-15, that the
Mig-25 is a much larger aircraft?

Felger Carbon wrote:

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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What they do have in common is a design requirement from high
command.
Get up there quick, kill something fast, then return to base.

The surprising thing about the Mig-25 is its long range. Yes,
_long_.

Interceptors are designed for defensive, not offensive, work. The
Mig-25 was designed to defend the Soviet Union from mach 3 atomic
bombers. The Soviet Union was _big_, really big. Hence the long
range of the Mig-25.

The WWII Spitfire/Hurricanes were also interceptors, but Great Britain
is a tiny country. Hence their short legs.

Form follows function. Have you ever noticed that despite the
superficial similarity of the Mig-25 to the later F-15, that the
Mig-25 is a much larger aircraft?

Needed it to stuff in the fuel and engines for the performance.

In sci.military.naval Andy Dingley twisted the electrons to say:
Can you imagine a reconaissance version of the even-thirstier
Lightning ?

I'm sure there was a reconaissance pod available for the Lightning
(replacing the guns in the ventral tank), however this was probably a
creation for Saudi Arabia / Kuwait (if indeed, it existed at all?).
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