FAR 91.113d Question.

On Apr 14, 6:21*am, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote:
Peter Clark wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT), SD
wrote:

Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. *I pretty much
grasp the concept well. *Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). *For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. *Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? *Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. *I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. *Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. *There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. *Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. *I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

Who has better manuverability? *Better manuverability has to give way.

I think in this case the question is, "who has shields?"- Hide quoted text -

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When you are submitting reports to FAA or NTSB, do you get fined for
misspelling balloon or rombulan? I just wanted to know because I plan
on submitting a report the next time I come into contact with an
unresponsive flock of warbirds.

"SD" wrote in message
...
Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?


You should then immediately hail Mary.

BS,TP

SD wrote:
Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me.

How can a dead Warbird do anything, much less disrobe?

You should have fired your phasors, as there is nothing more disturbing to
the space-time continuum than naked Romulans.

Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

If there was no wake turbulence then he wasn't using impulse power. Clearly
you are mistaken.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d,

Yes they are - under "weight-shift-control," also known as "warp drive."
Just because the warp drive is not in use at that time, they are still
classified as warp drive wessels (as Chekov would call them.) Sheesh, what
are they teaching in ground school these days?

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

Dropping hail onto it would be in violation of 91.15 "Dropping Objects".
The approved method is use of phasors. See 91.99 of the FARs.

On Apr 13, 4:19*am, SD wrote:
Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. *I pretty much
grasp the concept well. *Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). *For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. *Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? *Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. *I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. *Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. *There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. *Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. *I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

Use only drugs as approved by the director.

Cheers

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT), SD
wrote:

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Generally, yes; that's how I interpret the regulation, but the
necessity to alter course to the _right_ is only mentioned in (e):


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text... .1.3.10.2.4.7
(e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other
head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter
course to the right.


However there are other pertinent situations:

(f) Overtaking. Each aircraft that is being overtaken has the
right-of-way and each pilot of an overtaking aircraft shall alter
course to the right to pass well clear.


So if you're flying your motor-glider (wich is classed as a glider,
not an engine driven aircraft if I understand correctly) and
overtaking an airplane, you don't have right-of-way, FAR 91.113(d)
notwithstanding, unless your flight is in distress.

Then there are the issues of landing, towing, and refueling
aircraft....

On Apr 13, 4:19*am, SD wrote:
Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. *I pretty much
grasp the concept well. *Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). *For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. *Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? *Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. *I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. *Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. *There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. *Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. *I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

You think "Damn Romulans, what shall I do" and a big ballon appears
above your head with those words in it. The Romulan sees the huge
ballon and gives way (as all good cartoon pilots must obey Federation
aviation rules when manuvering in .sector 0 planet atmoshphere).

Cheers

Don't **** off the Romulans - they don't have any bathrooms on board and are
usually really cranky after a few years of holding it. Your best bet is to
make a temporal adjustment and proceed straight ahead a few femtoseconds
before the warbird got there. Don't cut it too close though.

"SD" wrote in message
...
Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

"SD" wrote in message
...

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

As a guy who flew gliders exclusively for his first few years in the cockpit,
I learned to totally disregard FAR 91.113d in most situations. (cue collective
gasp from newsgroup readers.)

The ROW rules only work when both pilots see each other, know the rules, and
are inclined to follow them. Frankly, it is rare that we can assume that all of
those conditions are met. Therefore, 91.113d is mostly useful for assigning
blame after an accident has already occurred.

As much as possible, I always assume the other plane has the ROW, and try to
occupy a bit of airspace that is well out of his way.

Vaughn

"Vaughn Simon" wrote ...
Therefore, 91.113d is mostly useful for assigning blame after an accident
has already occurred.

As much as possible, I always assume the other plane
has the ROW, and try to occupy a bit of airspace that
is well out of his way.

I am aghast that you would use Common Sense over the Letter of the Law. You
have no place in this newsgroup! (well,... the way it's been lately anyway)
;-)

On Apr 12, 11:19*am, SD wrote:
Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. *I pretty much
grasp the concept well. *Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). *For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. *Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? *Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. *I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. *Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. *There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. *Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. *I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

The starship's inertial dampers give her more maneuverability than
you, so technically you have the ROW. However Romulans are notorious
for ignoring the FARs, so your best bet is to steer well clear of the
warbird. Whatever you do, do not pass the warbird. The Romulans take
this as a sign of disrespect. There have been many atmosphere-rage
incidents in which aircraft have been vaporized by warbirds. So
unless your Cessna has shields that can absorb a disruptor blast, use
extreme caution.

Proconsul Phil