Maybe GWB isn't lying.......

An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the
Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was
NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President
Bush.
Period.

How many Guardsmen do you know?

I don't know any, but recently all the media has been printing
about Guardsmen is they are squealing about having to get called up
for duty. The articles are from SOLDIERS (guardsmen) bawling about,
"this isn't what we signed up for".
LOL, if this is true, I refuse to believe that a grown man
that has reaped all the benefits (pay, education, etc.) would howl
about fulfilling his end of an oath to his country and contract that
he signed and swore to.

On 02 Feb 2004 03:35:02 GMT, (Tom Cervo) wrote:

An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to the
Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That was
NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President
Bush.
Period.

How many Guardsmen do you know?

And another thing.... ;o)
When Clinton landed at our base during the elections nobody in our shop
would even walk across the base to see him. When we heard Pres. Bush landed
on the carrier, and when he went to Iraq during Thanksgiving it made us very
proud that he would remember us like that. He was thousands of miles from us
geographically, but he was with us in spirit.
Steve R.


On 02 Feb 2004 03:35:02 GMT, (Tom Cervo) wrote:

An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came
to the
Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That
was
NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like
President
Bush.
Period.

How many Guardsmen do you know?

"fudog50" wrote in message
...
I don't know any, but recently all the media has been printing
about Guardsmen is they are squealing about having to get called up
for duty. The articles are from SOLDIERS (guardsmen) bawling about,
"this isn't what we signed up for".
LOL, if this is true, I refuse to believe that a grown man
that has reaped all the benefits (pay, education, etc.) would howl
about fulfilling his end of an oath to his country and contract that
he signed and swore to.

Beware believeing the media's attempts to find the minority whiners and
portray them as representing the majority. If you go through the numbers for
ARNG units activated for ODS you will find an extremely high rate of
participation in the units that were called up. We have seen a significant
number of units activated for the current ongoing operations, and AFAIK the
result is the same. I recently ran into a guy who just finished an active
duty stint with his unit--his only gripe was that his unit was not allowed
to do their real combat mission and instead had been siphoned off to perform
security support here in CONUS. I know of two units from this state that are
in Iraq for the second time (having also done the ODS tour years ago), and a
lot of their members have made both trips, with no reported whining in the
press (I have little doubt some of them would rather be back home by now,
having deployed at about the same time the war kicked off, but wouldn't YOU
feel the same?).

Brooks


On 02 Feb 2004 03:35:02 GMT, (Tom Cervo) wrote:

An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came
to the
Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That
was
NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like
President
Bush.
Period.

How many Guardsmen do you know?

"Tom Cervo" wrote in message
...
An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to
the
Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That
was
NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President
Bush.
Period.

How many Guardsmen do you know?

Well, the ones on the base I've been active at for the last two years surely
seem to like that we're under his command instead of Algore. (roughly 1,000
personnel)
Steve R.

"Tom Cervo" wrote in message
...
An odd thing about politicians. When Clinton was in office and he came to
the
Pentagon to make a speech, the brass had to force people to attend. That
was
NOT the case with either Bush (41) or Bush (43). The troop like President
Bush.
Period.

How many Guardsmen do you know?

A fairly good number, including quite a few from Tennessee who are now in
Iraq. And yes, most of them (from Al's home state no less) seemed to prefer
Bush to Gore by far, so your point would be...?

Brooks

JD wrote:
The media and most democrats charge President Bush lied to the American
people and led us into a war over oil. Even if you disregard GWB 1 and the
war re Kuwait, in any attempt to be fair, you have to take these quotes into
consideration:

(Irrelevant quotes deleted)

Now who's lying?

If we are to believe our President, clearly the intelligence community that
provided our legislators with misleading and inaccurate data either were lying
or were grossly imcompetent, and he should have fired them as soon as he made
that determination.

To my knowledge, he has not yet addressed that problem.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
JD wrote:
The media and most democrats charge President Bush lied to the American
people and led us into a war over oil. Even if you disregard GWB 1 and
the
war re Kuwait, in any attempt to be fair, you have to take these quotes
into
consideration:

(Irrelevant quotes deleted)

Among those "irrelevant" quotesd were a number of statements predating the
GWB Presidency asserting that Iraq was continuing to develop, and/or had
stockpiled, WMD's, from prominent Democrats like Clinton, Kerry, Levin, etc.
Odd how some folks want to hang Bush for making similar statements, but are
all too willing to completely ignore the earlier comments from the other
side of the aisle, isn't it?


Now who's lying?

If we are to believe our President, clearly the intelligence community
that
provided our legislators with misleading and inaccurate data either were
lying
or were grossly imcompetent, and he should have fired them as soon as he
made
that determination.

But then you'd have to toss in the majority of the intel services around the
globe, as it appears most thought the Iraqis did indeed have hidden stocks
of WMD, and/or violations of UN Res 687 (which indeed was the case). Were
they all "grossly incompetent"?


To my knowledge, he has not yet addressed that problem.

Gee, you never held that same failure to address any intel failure against
Mr. Clinton, who bought into the same story. Why the double standard?

Brooks


George Z.

I'm thinkin this is one of those threads that belong in
"alt.conspiracies", I guess all the worlds leaders and intel
communities all got together (including the UN) and adopted resolution
1441, along with countless other resolutions. (I know you have slept a
few times since then, but it wasn't that long ago, and you have to at
least try to remember) and conspired that Saddam had WMD's. Then when
our pres. finally does something about it, instead of just idle
threats, all he gets is backlash.

LOL, I really enjoyed the one reponse from George Z. Bush where he
snipped the comments from prominent Democrats like Clinton, Kerry,
Levin, etc., and calls them "irrelevant", hahaha. Typical.

It's simply called "Monday Morning Quarterbacking".

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:18:22 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
JD wrote:
The media and most democrats charge President Bush lied to the American
people and led us into a war over oil. Even if you disregard GWB 1 and
the
war re Kuwait, in any attempt to be fair, you have to take these quotes
into
consideration:

(Irrelevant quotes deleted)

Among those "irrelevant" quotesd were a number of statements predating the
GWB Presidency asserting that Iraq was continuing to develop, and/or had
stockpiled, WMD's, from prominent Democrats like Clinton, Kerry, Levin, etc.
Odd how some folks want to hang Bush for making similar statements, but are
all too willing to completely ignore the earlier comments from the other
side of the aisle, isn't it?


Now who's lying?

If we are to believe our President, clearly the intelligence community
that
provided our legislators with misleading and inaccurate data either were
lying
or were grossly imcompetent, and he should have fired them as soon as he
made
that determination.

But then you'd have to toss in the majority of the intel services around the
globe, as it appears most thought the Iraqis did indeed have hidden stocks
of WMD, and/or violations of UN Res 687 (which indeed was the case). Were
they all "grossly incompetent"?


To my knowledge, he has not yet addressed that problem.

Gee, you never held that same failure to address any intel failure against
Mr. Clinton, who bought into the same story. Why the double standard?

Brooks


George Z.

ubject: Maybe GWB isn't lying.......
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 2/2/2004 7:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

JD wrote:
The media and most democrats charge President Bush lied to the American
people and led us into a war over oil. Even if you disregard GWB 1 and
the
war re Kuwait, in any attempt to be fair, you have to take these quotes
into
consideration:

(Irrelevant quotes deleted)

Now who's lying?

If we are to believe our President, clearly the intelligence community that
provided our legislators with misleading and inaccurate data either were
lying
or were grossly imcompetent, and he should have fired them as soon as he made
that determination.

To my knowledge, he has not yet addressed that problem.

George Z.




I was part of that "community" and I need to educate some people on the
business. Intelligence is more art than science. If any intelligence analyst
knows more than 10-15 percent of a situation, they have an unusually good
source(s) of information. Not once in almost 33 years was I ever in a position
to say anything with 100 percent confidence that I was right. I was ecstatic
when I felt "pretty sure" about something.

Ed
"The French couldn't hate us any
more unless we helped 'em out in another war."
--Will Rogers



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