On Anonymity, Moderated Fora, and Usenet

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Michael wrote:


Demonstrably false. The most famous counter-example in the
rec.aviation hierarchy would be Robert L. Bass.

Michael

I don't agree. Bass was an unusual case, and I emphasize the word case
:-) Nobody said it's a perfect world out here. I'm simply making the
case that moderated forums are a viable alternative to the Usenet open
forum and for many people might be a better alternative.
I agree with you that it's a choice decision and must be made by
everyone based on their own personal views, and I respect your right
to disagree with me or anyone else.
For you and I, Usenet seems to work, but I can tell you from personal
experience, that the majority body count on bad posting and harassment
comes from those using a pseudonym on Usenet, Bass or no Bass! (is
that a question? :-)

He's still around, BTW. if you feel the need to push his buttons. He was
even more entertaining than Maxie!

Even got his own honorary group.
alt.fan.beavis-and-basshole


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
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He's still around, BTW. if you feel the need to push his buttons. He was
even more entertaining than Maxie!

Even got his own honorary group.
alt.fan.beavis-and-basshole


Bertie

Glad you could stop by Bertie, and firm up the working relationship between
you and Dudley for all to see. Now is a good time to advertise that you BOTH
like to make sport of deliberately pushing someone's buttons.

Cool! But then all the smart ones already knew it. Nice reminder, very
timely.

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:21:23 -0400, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Michael wrote:


Demonstrably false. The most famous counter-example in the
rec.aviation hierarchy would be Robert L. Bass.

Michael

I don't agree. Bass was an unusual case, and I emphasize the word case :-)
Nobody said it's a perfect world out here. I'm simply making the case
that moderated forums are a viable alternative to the Usenet open forum
and for many people might be a better alternative.
I agree with you that it's a choice decision and must be made by
everyone based on their own personal views, and I respect your right to
disagree with me or anyone else.
For you and I, Usenet seems to work, but I can tell you from personal
experience, that the majority body count on bad posting and harassment
comes from those using a pseudonym on Usenet, Bass or no Bass! (is that
a question? :-)

sci.aeronautics is a stand out success as a moderated news group.
it is a vibrant and very busy news group ....if you live in geological
time.

Stealth Pilot

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Michael wrote:

Your observations are respected of course but are not correct in my
opinion. Anonymity has nothing at all to do with the quality of dialog on
discussion groups. Anonymity is simply a tool of choice for the poster.
The quality of information will either be good or bad as posted.

Actually, the ONLY positive/negative aspect to anonymity that I have
experienced on Usenet is the somewhat enlightening factor that defines
every.....and I mean EVERY instance where a negative aspect can be
attached to a specific poster on Usenet, that poster was/is using an
online persona and not a real name. On the other hand, I've seen very few
instances where a poster using a real name (and I mean first AND last
name) was posting the kind of utter crap we've all been subjected to
lately here on RAP :-)

Your comment about "visiting a pilot's lounge" by visiting a moderated
forum is in my opinion on it's face ridiculous. The discussion on the
moderated forum is simply kept on topic by force instead of left to the
individual poster.

The truth is that BOTH Usenet and moderated forums can be useful IF the
posters themselves can control the venue. Usenet, at least Usenet on the
pilots forums, have demonstrated, and are demonstrating as we speak,
inability to do this.
THIS is the reason pilots are leaving these forums for the moderated
forums.
As you can see, I'm still posting here on this forum. I will suggest to
you that what you will most likely see appear posted as answers to this
post might very well finish making my argument. :-)

Anyway, nice talking to you today.
--
Dudley Henriques

I'm afraid I'll have to agree with Michael. If moderated groups are so
wonderful, and full of so many wonderful people, what are you doing still
here recruiting?

Maxwell wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Michael wrote:

Your observations are respected of course but are not correct in my
opinion. Anonymity has nothing at all to do with the quality of dialog on
discussion groups. Anonymity is simply a tool of choice for the poster.
The quality of information will either be good or bad as posted.

Actually, the ONLY positive/negative aspect to anonymity that I have
experienced on Usenet is the somewhat enlightening factor that defines
every.....and I mean EVERY instance where a negative aspect can be
attached to a specific poster on Usenet, that poster was/is using an
online persona and not a real name. On the other hand, I've seen very few
instances where a poster using a real name (and I mean first AND last
name) was posting the kind of utter crap we've all been subjected to
lately here on RAP :-)

Your comment about "visiting a pilot's lounge" by visiting a moderated
forum is in my opinion on it's face ridiculous. The discussion on the
moderated forum is simply kept on topic by force instead of left to the
individual poster.

The truth is that BOTH Usenet and moderated forums can be useful IF the
posters themselves can control the venue. Usenet, at least Usenet on the
pilots forums, have demonstrated, and are demonstrating as we speak,
inability to do this.
THIS is the reason pilots are leaving these forums for the moderated
forums.
As you can see, I'm still posting here on this forum. I will suggest to
you that what you will most likely see appear posted as answers to this
post might very well finish making my argument. :-)

Anyway, nice talking to you today.
--
Dudley Henriques

I'm afraid I'll have to agree with Michael. If moderated groups are so
wonderful, and full of so many wonderful people, what are you doing still
here recruiting?



I've never left, never said I was leaving, and won't be leaving. No need
too. Giving people an alternative place to post serious aviation
discussion is simply my project of the day so to speak.

Oh BTW, those two alternatives for friendly and serious aviation
discussion are;

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum...isplay.php?f=5

http://www.purpleboard.net/~purplebo/forums/index.php

Thank you Max for the continuing opportunity of accomplishing two things
at one time, first demonstrating why these alternatives might be
seriously considered by some, and secondly, affording me the opportunity
of reposting the links just in case some have missed seeing them.
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Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Thank you Max for the continuing opportunity of accomplishing two things
at one time, first demonstrating why these alternatives might be seriously
considered by some, and secondly, affording me the opportunity of
reposting the links just in case some have missed seeing them.
--

Well you certainly don't need my reminder. You have only been gone three
days, but have already spammed us more than a dozen times.

Perhaps you should be asking donations for the Red Cross as well.

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Thank you Max for the continuing opportunity of accomplishing two
things at one time, first demonstrating why these alternatives might
be seriously considered by some, and secondly, affording me the
opportunity of reposting the links just in case some have missed
seeing them. --

Well you certainly don't need my reminder. You have only been gone
three days, but have already spammed us more than a dozen times.

Perhaps you should be asking donations for the Red Cross as well.



The *******!


Bertie

Dudley Henriques was thinking very hard :

The truth is that BOTH Usenet and moderated forums can be useful...

EOT

Michael wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of people leaving usenet quite publicly, in favor of
a moderated forum, because the signal to noise ratio on the group has
become so poor. This is of course their right and decision. I don't
intend to follow them, and that of course is mine. I will, however,
point out some major advantages of an unmoderated, anonymous forum -
like this one - for some of the topics we discuss.

Michael

Yes, by all means let's take a look at some of the advantages of an
unmoderated Usenet forum..........like this gem for example, posted
yesterday by some idiot posting here on this Usenet forum using a false
name.

"Dudley Henriques blithered dramatically whilst picking the gonad hairs
from his teeth once fluffy on the testicles of his retaded son "

Of course this Usenet moron has no idea that we just buried our son
after losing him to cancer.


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Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Of course this Usenet moron has no idea that we just buried our son
after losing him to cancer.

I am very saddened to hear of your loss. I do not know you except by your
postings, and by them you have always struck me as a helpful, intelligent,
and decent person. The apple never falls far from the tree, the old proverb
allegedly goes, so I have no doubts that he lived up to the same standards
as his old man.