Attempted forced entry.

Mark Hansen wrote:
On 09/11/08 10:10, JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.

I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.

When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
could put in an insurance claim.

In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
just a property crime, no one really cares.

Well, I guess that depends on a lot of factors. I fly out of a small non-towered
airport out in the farm lands. One day I saw someone driving around the ramp,
then stop at a plane and start working on it. Within about 30 minutes there were
two squad cars pulling up to check them out.

Calling about a crime that is possibly in progress is entirely different
than calling about an attempted crime that occurred at some unknown time
and in some unknown place and left nothing missing. Do you really not
understand the difference in these scenarios?

JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.


I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.

When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
could put in an insurance claim.

In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
just a property crime, no one really cares.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


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Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.


I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and
nothing was
taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.

When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even
get the
cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the
phone so I
could put in an insurance claim.

In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it
being a
federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If
it's
just a property crime, no one really cares.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 2§ 32

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...2----000-.html


Do you have a point to make?

JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.


I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.

When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
could put in an insurance claim.

In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
just a property crime, no one really cares.

That was my experience exactly. I had a KX165 stolen from my 182 around
1998. The police had zero interest in the theft other than giving me
what I needed for the insurance claim.

The really interesting part is that I bought a used KX165 from one of
the avionics shops in Florida (I forget the name now, but one of the
larger ones not a fly-by-night outfit) and, you guessed it, found that
it was MY radio! I thought the wear on the bezel looked a little too
familiar and a serial number checked confirmed it. I called the
avionics retailed and they had bought it yellow-tagged from a smaller
avionics shop in Ohio. I called them and they had failing memory and
couldn't remember where they got it. I reported it to the NY state
police and they couldn't have cared less. They said that for the value
in question it wasn't worth their while. They suspected it was stolen
by someone driving west on route 17 which runs right by our airport and
then fenced the next day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and
probably paid in cash.

Matt

On Sep 11, 6:03 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.

I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.

When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
could put in an insurance claim.

In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
just a property crime, no one really cares.

That was my experience exactly. I had a KX165 stolen from my 182 around
1998. The police had zero interest in the theft other than giving me
what I needed for the insurance claim.

The really interesting part is that I bought a used KX165 from one of
the avionics shops in Florida (I forget the name now, but one of the
larger ones not a fly-by-night outfit) and, you guessed it, found that
it was MY radio! I thought the wear on the bezel looked a little too
familiar and a serial number checked confirmed it. I called the
avionics retailed and they had bought it yellow-tagged from a smaller
avionics shop in Ohio. I called them and they had failing memory and
couldn't remember where they got it. I reported it to the NY state
police and they couldn't have cared less. They said that for the value
in question it wasn't worth their while. They suspected it was stolen
by someone driving west on route 17 which runs right by our airport and
then fenced the next day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and
probably paid in cash.

Matt

So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
goods?
Lou

"Lou" wrote ...
"Matt Whiting" wrote:
I reported it to the NY state police and they couldn't have cared
less. They said that for the value in question it wasn't worth their
while. They suspected it was stolen by someone driving west on
route 17 which runs right by our airport and then fenced the next
day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and probably paid
in cash.

So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
goods?


Criminal charges are not brought to the Court by civilians. The insurance
claim cited means that the Insurance Co probably had the biggest loss in
this. They may also have the means to convince the Ohio authorities to
investigate the shop. If the owner is sloppy, he may still have some other
stolen product laying on shelves. But the interstate nature of the items
means the locals will need assistance from the Feds, who typically look down
on these small cases.

Real life isn't like TV, where people in authority are always competent and
highly motivated.

Lou wrote:
On Sep 11, 6:03 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
JGalban via AviationKB.com wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:
Given what little you know about the attempt, I would do nothing. I
think reporting this would simply we wasting the time of the police.
I agree. Since you don't know when or where it happened, and nothing was
taken, the cops are going to have zero interest in this.
When I actually had an avionics theft back in '96, I couldn't even get the
cops to come out to the airport. They just took a report over the phone so I
could put in an insurance claim.
In real life, all of those ominous signs at the airport about it being a
federal offense to tamper with aircraft are just window dressing. If it's
just a property crime, no one really cares.
That was my experience exactly. I had a KX165 stolen from my 182 around
1998. The police had zero interest in the theft other than giving me
what I needed for the insurance claim.

The really interesting part is that I bought a used KX165 from one of
the avionics shops in Florida (I forget the name now, but one of the
larger ones not a fly-by-night outfit) and, you guessed it, found that
it was MY radio! I thought the wear on the bezel looked a little too
familiar and a serial number checked confirmed it. I called the
avionics retailed and they had bought it yellow-tagged from a smaller
avionics shop in Ohio. I called them and they had failing memory and
couldn't remember where they got it. I reported it to the NY state
police and they couldn't have cared less. They said that for the value
in question it wasn't worth their while. They suspected it was stolen
by someone driving west on route 17 which runs right by our airport and
then fenced the next day to the Ohio shop who asked no questions and
probably paid in cash.

Matt

So just my own curiosity, couldn't you press charges of selling stolen
goods?
Lou

I'm not a lawyer so I can't say for sure, but the police made it clear
they weren't interested in pursuing it. Could I have convinced Florida
to pursue the avionics retailer? Maybe, but it wasn't worth it to try
to pursue a case in a state 1,000 miles away.

Matt

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
/snip/
The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
when it's in the hangar. /snip/


Jon,

Don't assume it didn't happen in your hangar. Many would be thieves
aren't smart enough to know how, or even to try, to open the door
normally. Years ago I saw several car windows smashed in at our local
airport. The glove boxes were rifled through, but not much of value was
taken. The cars had all been parked with the doors unlocked...

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

In article ications,
Scott Skylane wrote:

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
/snip/
The plane is hangared at BJC (Metro, Denver, CO) and I'm quite certain the
attempted forced entry didn't occur there, because I never lock the plane
when it's in the hangar. /snip/


Jon,

Don't assume it didn't happen in your hangar. Many would be thieves
aren't smart enough to know how, or even to try, to open the door
normally. Years ago I saw several car windows smashed in at our local
airport. The glove boxes were rifled through, but not much of value was
taken. The cars had all been parked with the doors unlocked...

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Check your avionics serial numbers!

Some of the more clever thieves will steal avionics from one airplane,
break into another that has the same stuff and switch radios. That way
they have a set of serial numbers that have not been reported stolen.

You never know the difference until you take one in for service. Then
the trap is on you!

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