RTFM

On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:41 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
Private wrote:

RTFM

http://www.rense.com/general85/Airbus340.pdf

Funny, but not quite true.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/etihad.asp

Actually it's pretty close to the truth.

Actually, "pretty close to the truth" and "not quite true" are pretty much
the same thing.

True.
This accident came in to our safety group via one of our airline guys
as a "note of interest"
rather than something we would be working on.
After reading the report, the only opinion I formed was that the tail
should have been tied down for any test at max thrust and that whoever
was in charge of the test (presumably the left seat) should have been
familiar with the test procedures AND checked out enough on power
lever use to know completely the emergency shutdown procedure if
something went wrong. Not bringing the power back prior to and
coincident with brake application seemed to me an inexcusable error.
Task overload shouldn't have been an issue as far as power reduction.
That was a normal procedure failure.
As to the Arab question; I didn't even consider nationality in my
rationale; simply the body in charge :-)
-DH

On 29 Apr, 04:28, Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Apr 28, 9:31*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:



Dudley Henriques wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:41 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
Private wrote:

RTFM

http://www.rense.com/general85/Airbus340.pdf

Funny, but not quite true.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/etihad.asp

Actually it's pretty close to the truth.

Actually, "pretty close to the truth" and "not quite true" are pretty much
the same thing.

True.
This accident came in to our safety group via one of our airline guys
as a "note of interest"
rather than something we would be working on.
After reading the report, the only opinion I formed was that the tail
should have been tied down for any test at max thrust and that whoever
was in charge of the test (presumably the left seat) should have been
familiar with the test procedures AND checked out enough on power
lever use to know completely the emergency shutdown procedure if
something went wrong. Not bringing the power back prior to and
coincident with brake application seemed to me an inexcusable error.
Task overload shouldn't have been an issue as far as power reduction.
That was a normal procedure failure.
As to the Arab question; I didn't even consider nationality in my
rationale; simply the body in charge :-)
-DH

The guy in charge in one of the front seats was
apparently an Airbus employee with
another in the jump seat. Maintenance guy
from the airline in other pilot seat. All three could well
have been blond and blue eyed, and almost certainly were
not all arab - if that makes any difference to anything. It
certainly doesn't from here.

Something similar - and even scarier - but cheaper.

I happened to listen again to this audio earlier today.
Similar situation, full power run up, with non-aircrew
at the controls, gone wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iKFY...e=channel_page

Lightning XM135 inadvertant flight by
Wing Commander "Taffy" Holden

This time it was a taxi test, the aircraft was an
English Electric Lightening and it got airborne.
Pins in seat so no escape that way, no canopy.
Driver was senior RAF Engineering Officer who was
pilot trained but only to a low standard as part of his
Engineering training, and had never flown anything
bigger than a Harvard trainer. Was probably not
current but I don't know.

Got it down without significant damage and lived too.

Amazing.

Cause reported as getting throttles caught in re-heat
gate and not being familiar enough with it to get them
out, and steer too, before running out of runway. The only
clear path remaining was *UP*. Don't suppose that
would take too long in one of those.
Whooooosh - oh NO!!!!

Quite why you need a gate to keep throttles *in*
re-heat I have no idea.