Could Canada Build

"Harry Andreas" wrote in message ...
If you want to build a modern fighter radar, then AESA is the only way to go.

There's only 3 companies in the world with the expertise to do an AESA radar.
2 of them are in the USA, and only one of them has AESA in production.


I'm pretty sure the Russians and the French would disagree with you.

For Canada to come up to speed with a purely domestic system
would take a minimum of 10 years.

Could you offer some justification for this estimate? I'd be interested in any
reasoning you might offer.

In article , "Charles Talleyrand"
wrote:

"Harry Andreas" wrote in message
...
If you want to build a modern fighter radar, then AESA is the only way
to go.

There's only 3 companies in the world with the expertise to do an AESA
radar.
2 of them are in the USA, and only one of them has AESA in production.


I'm pretty sure the Russians and the French would disagree with you.

I took the French into account.
The Russians...I'm not sure that what they're building is an AESA.
I could be wrong though.


For Canada to come up to speed with a purely domestic system
would take a minimum of 10 years.

Could you offer some justification for this estimate? I'd be interested
in any
reasoning you might offer.

I takes very specialized knowledge and facilities to build an AESA.
It's a fair bit different than a mechanically scanned array.
Someone with no base in building fighter radars would have to bring
a lot of engineers up to speed, while simultaneously building factories,
foundries,
and test facilities. That takes time.
Other than that I really can't comment on specifics.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

We did it before - in fact it was way ahead of its time. But the
chicken-**** Conservative government that was in power at the time
caved to US pressures to scrap the Arrow.

Oh good christ, not the ****ing Arrow again. I swear, I don't think I know
of any country with as many angry, inferiority-complex afflicted people as
Canada seems to harbor. Or maybe it's just that most of them somehow end up
on this newsgroup.

In message KZ8Ec.21440$rh.7992@okepread02, t_mark
writes
We did it before - in fact it was way ahead of its time. But the
chicken-**** Conservative government that was in power at the time
caved to US pressures to scrap the Arrow.

Oh good christ, not the ****ing Arrow again. I swear, I don't think I know
of any country with as many angry, inferiority-complex afflicted people as
Canada seems to harbor.

Just be glad that the "CF-105 would have been great if the US hadn't
cheated!" crowd keep the "TSR.2 would have been great if the US hadn't
cheated!"crowd in the background. (Airframe was coming together, but the
nav/attack avionics were still vapourware - doesn't stop the tendency to
blame the US for everything)

It's a beautiful airframe, one still parked in a Duxford hangar between
a Vulcan and a Tornado GR.1 . Doesn't mean it would have worked in
service, however stupid the subsequent decisions were.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

t_mark wrote:

We did it before - in fact it was way ahead of its time. But the
chicken-**** Conservative government that was in power at the time
caved to US pressures to scrap the Arrow.

Oh good christ, not the ****ing Arrow again.

My sentiments exactly.

I swear, I don't think I know
of any country with as many angry, inferiority-complex afflicted people as
Canada seems to harbor.

Neither do I, and I live in Canada.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:58:58 +0000, Andrew Chaplin wrote:


of any country with as many angry, inferiority-complex afflicted people as
Canada seems to harbor.


Its not an inferiority complex.

It just evokes nostalgia. Its much like an old timer who reminisces
about the Spitfire he flew in WWII.

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message
om...
Could Canada build a complete modern jet fighter with missiles and
radar? Assume they have lots of money (10-20 billion dollars) and
seven or so years.

Canada is actually well positioned to build the airframe. Bombardier
has very significant experience building subsonic jets and presumably
could handle supersonic jets with time and money. The science behind
this is VERY well known. Heck even Burt Rutan can do this, surely the
nation of Canada can.

Pratt Canada builds lots of gas turbines. They specialize in smaller
jets but again given time and money could likely scale up.

Radar is a problem. Web searches make me believe that Canada only
builds radars for atmospheric research and air traffic control and one
military radar, which is used by maritime aircraft for periscope
searching.

If I recall correctly Litton Systems in Canada made the terrain following
radars for the cruise missle - did someone buy them out?


Missiles are another problem. Web searches suggest that Canada builds
no missiles and more importantly no seaker heads. They might have to
start from scratch on this.

Many countries skip this part.

The big thing is building an airframe and flight controls - very different
from a jetliner.

It could be done, but we'd be starting from zero and others have a long
lead - would it make any sense - no.

James Linn

On 27 Jun 2004 23:42:50 -0700, (Charles Talleyrand)
wrote:

Could Canada build a complete modern jet fighter with missiles and
radar? Assume they have lots of money (10-20 billion dollars) and
seven or so years.

They already build modern jets, so a fighter shouldn't be much of a
leap at all. There's more than enough talent and capability in the
country.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

(Charles Talleyrand) wrote in
om:

[snip]

So, can Canada build a modern jet?

A military jet?

Sweden can, no reason why Canada couldn't.

From the technical standpoint, that is.

The economics and politics of the matter are another
thing entirely.

The Canadian military establishment is so chronically
underfunded and overworked ( and likely to stay that
way ) that there is no conceivable circumstance where
a Canadian built fighter/bomber aircraft will ever enter
service.
Indeed given the pressures to fund the social programs
Canadians have gotten used to, I wouldn't be at all
surprised if one fine day the Gummint o'Canada up and
sold off most of their military aircraft.
They might keep a few F-18s to provide a photo-intercept
platform for some sort of fig-leaf national sovereignty
patrols but nothing like a real air force.

IBM

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"Ian MacLure" wrote in message ...
(Charles Talleyrand) wrote in
om:

[snip]

So, can Canada build a modern jet?

A military jet?

Sweden can, no reason why Canada couldn't.

In some real sense, Sweden is only building parts of a military jet and
buying some of the hard bits from the US. It's not obvious that
Sweden could build a modern high performance hard-to-jam
radar for instance.

The parts that concern me most after extensive (almost an hour :-)
research is Canada's ability to build a suitable radar and missile system.
I believe they could build the airframe and the jet engine.

The economics and politics of the matter are another
thing entirely.

Yep. Of course.