Superior HK XM8 Kicks M4's Ass

On 8 Jul 2004 09:21:53 -0700, (Typhoon502) wrote:

HK also released a new upper for the M4 that uses the same gas-piston
system that eliminates the one true operating deficiency of the
standard M4 design...doesn't blow gases directly into the receiver.
But other than that, it's basically a very high-quality M4 upper that
the DOD *should* be buying in massive quantities instead of hoping the
new Plastic Fantastic can survive widespread troop abuse.

And, for those of you who already have an upper but want a gas
piston, Kurt's Kustom Firearms has made a gas piston retrofit kit
called the M9 Evo (or something like that). Very cool.


Eric Pinnell

(Author, "Steel Rain", "Claws of The Dragon", "The Omega File")

For a preview, see: http://www.ericpinnell.com/books/previews.shtml

From: (robert arndt)
Date: 7/5/2004 4:16 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!

Rob

Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to catch up with
us.

Having said that, you really do need to get over your inferiority complex and
try to stay on topic.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Wow! I always wnated to go into combat carying a feminine hygein product. I can
see the hair curler, but where is the shaving cream dispense?

-- Charlie Springer

"Regnirps" wrote in message
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Wow! I always wnated to go into combat carying a feminine hygein product.
I can
see the hair curler, but where is the shaving cream dispense?


XM8 was actually designed by HK's US subsidiary as part of the OICW project
and will be manufactured in the US.

(B2431) wrote in message ...
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 7/5/2004 4:16 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!

Rob

Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to catch up with
us.

How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44 and the last was Mauser's STG-45... which the Mauser team went
to Spain and developed as the Cetme... before returning to Germany as
HK improving the design into the G-3... which has led to both the
incredible G-11 and new G-36.
IIRC, you got your crummy M-16A-1 which fouled like a MF in Vietnam...
20 years AFTER the Mauser STG-45.

Having said that, you really do need to get over your inferiority complex and
try to stay on topic.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

What would an AF jerk like you know about rifles anyway? Ever fired
once since boot? I'll bet I own and have fired more assault weapons in
my 20s than you ever fired during your entire military career/life. My
dad was a weapons inspector and I still have a fairly large pre-ban
arsenal at home.

Rob

From: (robert arndt)
Date: 7/6/2004 12:37 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

(B2431) wrote in message
...
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 7/5/2004 4:16 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!

Rob

Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to catch up
with
us.

How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44 and the last was Mauser's STG-45... which the Mauser team went
to Spain and developed as the Cetme... before returning to Germany as
HK improving the design into the G-3... which has led to both the
incredible G-11 and new G-36.
IIRC, you got your crummy M-16A-1 which fouled like a MF in Vietnam...
20 years AFTER the Mauser STG-45.

Having said that, you really do need to get over your inferiority complex
and
try to stay on topic.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

What would an AF jerk like you know about rifles anyway? Ever fired
once since boot? I'll bet I own and have fired more assault weapons in
my 20s than you ever fired during your entire military career/life. My
dad was a weapons inspector and I still have a fairly large pre-ban
arsenal at home.

Rob

Ooh, I'm impressed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In message , robert
arndt writes
(B2431) wrote in message
...
Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to
catch up with
us.

How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44

No, the Russians first invented the assault rifle in 1916 with the
Federov Avtomat.

and the last was Mauser's STG-45... which the Mauser team went
to Spain and developed as the Cetme... before returning to Germany as
HK improving the design into the G-3... which has led to both the
incredible G-11 and new G-36.

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...
In message , robert
arndt writes
(B2431) wrote in message
...
Congratulations, teuton, it only took 40 years for you Germans to
catch up with
us.

How so moron since we Germans invented the assault rifle in WW2 as the
STG-44

No, the Russians first invented the assault rifle in 1916 with the
Federov Avtomat.

Sorry, Mauser issued the first automatic rifles Flieger Selbslader
Karbiner in 1915 as aircraft observers guns. These were followed by
the experimental infantry Model 16 in 1916. The very first Mauser
experimental rifles were tested in 1908... well before the Avtomat.
(From the Encyclopedia of Firearms by Ian V. Hogg)

and the last was Mauser's STG-45... which the Mauser team went
to Spain and developed as the Cetme... before returning to Germany as
HK improving the design into the G-3... which has led to both the
incredible G-11 and new G-36.

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!

Rob

p.s. Nice try

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!


Well stolen or captured German technology was 100 years ahead of US technology
in 1945,so the term UFO nededed to be invented here.
Germans do not need to play by the pragmatical rules of Anglos,they only need
to remember time proven "Preussian tugenden".

If they do it,75 years old scientific and cultural ice age would end and world
could expreience another reneissance in Sciences,Culture and Arts.
Such an outcome is beneficial to all human race,including Anglos.

On 7 Jul 2004 02:46:43 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...

The G11 being so incredible that it's dead as a dodo without a single
service user?

Dropped for general Heer usage due to reunification costs, still in
use by German SOFs. Also superior to anything in US Inventory... and
that gun also originated in WW2 with Niploit caseless ammunition
research!!!

Can you provide a cite for the current usage? All the photos I've seen
of German KSK troops show them with G-36 variants or MP-5s.

Peter Kemp