SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!

In article ,
ArtKramr wrote:
I am being forced to write them by men who I flew with who now lie buried in
foreign graves.

Art - that's almost the same phrase as my father used for the reason he
wrote about /his/ war. All power to your elbow/pen/keyboard and keep
writing.

--
Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 1:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Mike"
Date: 8/8/2004 11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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In other words shut your mouth and just fly your
missions.

And then talk about them for the next 60 years.


If you don't want to hear about them, then just don't read them.
Nobody
is
forcing you to.

To be fair, no one is forcing YOU to write them.

I am being forced to write them by men who I flew with who now lie
buried in
foreign graves.

Then you need psychiatric help.

Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 2:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 1:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Mike"
Date: 8/8/2004 11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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In other words shut your mouth and just fly your
missions.

And then talk about them for the next 60 years.


If you don't want to hear about them, then just don't read them.
Nobody
is
forcing you to.

To be fair, no one is forcing YOU to write them.

I am being forced to write them by men who I flew with who now lie
buried in
foreign graves.

Then you need psychiatric help.


Those of us dedicated to the memory of those we fought with need psychiatric
help? I would say the need is all yours.

..
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 8/9/2004 9:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ANDREW ROBERT BREEN" wrote in message
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In article ,
ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Adrian"
Date: 8/8/2004 11:06 PM Pacific Standard Time

Ignore the trolls. I for one, always enjoy your tales. I wish more
veterans
did it. Keep it up

Thank you for the kind words. You will find that most who denigrate never
actually flew a mission or were even in combat. They just endlessley
quote what

Can I second Adrian's comments? It's important for as many people out
there as possible - most of them are 2 generations removed from what
Art and his comrades (and my father and /his/) went through - to
know that war is not something that happens on TV.

It is even more important that they get an honest view of the events--not
claims that his unit *never* missed its target (ludicrous), that he
gallantly went off to war while the Guard sat behind at its armories (a
patent falsehood), etc. So your second seems to be misdirected if you are
interested in gaining a truthful account; if on the other hand you want
fiction, Art is indeed your best source.

Brooks

snip further misdirected fawning


How would you know wannabee? If they want a good source that sure isn't you
hiding under your desk as the war raged. Have you no shame.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Simcoe Warrior"
Date: 8/9/2004 11:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Mike"
Date: 8/8/2004 11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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In other words shut your mouth and just fly your
missions.

And then talk about them for the next 60 years.


If you don't want to hear about them, then just don't read them.
Nobody
is
forcing you to.

To be fair, no one is forcing YOU to write them.

I am being forced to write them by men who I flew with who now lie
buried in
foreign graves.



Art, I am going to weigh in here for a moment. I've lurked in here for some
time and have always enjoyed your
firsthand accounts of being crewmember aboard a B-26. To be blunt, I am
appalled at the shoddy treatment
that you are recieving from a few useless tools in this group.

I don't know how old you are Art but I'm guessing I'm about 50 years younger
than you are so obviously
I wasn't around when WW2 was raging. But I can say this, the men that flew
bombers deserve to be recognized
at every opportunity for the incredible odds they faced both courageously
and willingly.

A relative of mine flew with 431 Squadron (RCAF) in Halifax bombers and
took off one night to bomb Hamburg and
was never seen nor heard from again. 60 years later we still don't know what
happened to him and the 6 other young
men that died with him. As I'm sure you know, as sad of story as this was,
it happened all the time, just like the training
accident that you mentioned in another thread.

After researching my relative I have become obsessed with the details of
bomber warfare and my research efforts have
revealed that there aren't alot of veterans of the war available online in
forums such as these. I don't understand why some people here fail to
realise what a great resource they have by you frequenting this group - talk
to the people that were there guys! The answers aren't all in books!

Anyway Art, I hope you will continue to entertain and educate us with your
tales, I believe I speak for the silent majority
on this matter.


Thank you so much. It is a lot of work doing all these posts and I am always
glad to hear when they are appreciated. I tend to ignore the bitter jealousy
of the wannabees. But I will keep writing as long as I know there are those
like you who like what I write, and we must never forget our absent friends.
They are the reason for it all.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 7:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 2:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 1:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Mike"
Date: 8/8/2004 11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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In other words shut your mouth and just fly your
missions.

And then talk about them for the next 60 years.


If you don't want to hear about them, then just don't read them.
Nobody
is
forcing you to.

To be fair, no one is forcing YOU to write them.

I am being forced to write them by men who I flew with who now lie
buried in
foreign graves.

Then you need psychiatric help.


Those of us dedicated to the memory of those we fought with need
psychiatric
help? I would say the need is all yours.

Hey, I'm not the who just admitted that dead people talk to him. Admission
is the first step to recovery. Now all you have to do is get professional
treatment.


I think I'll start by just throwing out the garbage,

PLONK !!!



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 7:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 2:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 8/9/2004 1:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: SHUT UP !!! YOU'LL JINX THE MISSION !!!!
From: "Mike"
Date: 8/8/2004 11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In other words shut your mouth and just fly your
missions.

And then talk about them for the next 60 years.


If you don't want to hear about them, then just don't read them.
Nobody
is
forcing you to.

To be fair, no one is forcing YOU to write them.

I am being forced to write them by men who I flew with who now lie
buried in
foreign graves.

Then you need psychiatric help.


Those of us dedicated to the memory of those we fought with need
psychiatric
help? I would say the need is all yours.

Hey, I'm not the who just admitted that dead people talk to him.
Admission
is the first step to recovery. Now all you have to do is get
professional
treatment.


I think I'll start by just throwing out the garbage,

PLONK !!!

Yes, you've said that before. I note that you replied to this thread after
allegedly plonking me, which means your PLONK is full of hot air.