Cross Country Sailplanes: In the Flatland

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Std Jantar 2 sits tall on the gear and is pretty honest about 1/40,
better than the DG100/101. DG has a bit nicer handling with
parallelogram stick, but loses on performance. Very strong though.

Payload should be okay. Have you seen Adam's Jantar?

PIK-20B if you want a bit more performance and landing flaps. They
may be hard to rig after the temp exceeds 70F or so.

EDS with composite tank won't add much weight to either and will
lighten your wallet a bit.

Frank Whiteley



Thanks for your thoughts, Frank! (I'm not quite understanding the "EDS
with composite tank" part of this though.)

Chris.

[Snip]

Std Jantar 2 sits tall on the gear and is pretty honest about 1/40,
better than the DG100/101. DG has a bit nicer handling with
parallelogram stick, but loses on performance. Very strong though.

Payload should be okay. Have you seen Adam's Jantar?

PIK-20B if you want a bit more performance and landing flaps. They
may be hard to rig after the temp exceeds 70F or so.

EDS with composite tank won't add much weight to either and will
lighten your wallet a bit.

Frank Whiteley



Thanks for your thoughts, Frank! (I'm not quite understanding the "EDS
with composite tank" part of this though.)

Chris.

[Snip]

Std Jantar 2 sits tall on the gear and is pretty honest about 1/40,
better than the DG100/101. DG has a bit nicer handling with
parallelogram stick, but loses on performance. Very strong though.

Payload should be okay. Have you seen Adam's Jantar?

PIK-20B if you want a bit more performance and landing flaps. They
may be hard to rig after the temp exceeds 70F or so.

EDS with composite tank won't add much weight to either and will
lighten your wallet a bit.

Frank Whiteley



Thanks for your thoughts, Frank! (I'm not quite understanding the "EDS
with composite tank" part of this though.)

Chris.

Chris Prince wrote:
I'm not a frequent reader of rec.aviation.soaring, so at the risk of
asking a common question, I'll pose my question. I fly cross country here
in the meaty middle (cheesy middle? ) part of the US-- mostly Wisconsin,
often Minnesota, sometimes Iowa, Illinois, South Dakota, Michigan. I often
land off-field (in 50 cross country flights, or attempts, I've landed
off-field on 26 flights).

I'm curious about the "back-story". Who retrieves you all those times?

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I want to change ships. Presently, I fly a Schweizer 1-35. While I enjoy
the heck out of flying this ship, and have it pimped out just right , I
have reached max gross weight on the ship, and want to add more toys. For
example, I want to take my ship out West to do some mountain flying, and
thus need to add an O2 system. While some people decide to fly over max
gross weight, I don't choose to do so.

The SSA Sailplane Directory shows a 260 pound payload for the 1-35,
which seems enough to carry plenty of toys. The gliders I'm familiar
with have a *lower* payload, so I'm not sure a different glider will
improve the situation. If you are likely to be close to the max cockpit
weight, you better carefully weigh any glider before you buy it and
determine the allowable cockpit load, or you will probably still have
the over-gross problem.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

On Aug 9, 8:36*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Chris Prince wrote:
I'm not a frequent reader of rec.aviation.soaring, so at the risk of
asking a common question, I'll pose my question. I fly cross country here
in the meaty middle (cheesy middle? ) part of the US-- mostly Wisconsin,
often Minnesota, sometimes Iowa, Illinois, South Dakota, Michigan. I often
land off-field (in 50 cross country flights, or attempts, I've landed
off-field on 26 flights).

I'm curious about the "back-story". Who retrieves you all those times?

snip



I want to change ships. Presently, I fly a Schweizer 1-35. While I enjoy
the heck out of flying this ship, and have it pimped out just right , I
have reached max gross weight on the ship, and want to add more toys. For
example, I want to take my ship out West to do some mountain flying, and
thus need to add an O2 system. While some people decide to fly over max
gross weight, I don't choose to do so.

The SSA Sailplane Directory shows a 260 pound payload for the 1-35,
which seems enough to carry plenty of toys. The gliders I'm familiar
with have a *lower* payload, so I'm not sure a different glider will
improve the situation. If you are likely to be close to the max cockpit
weight, you better carefully weigh any glider before you buy it and
determine the allowable cockpit load, or you will probably still have
the over-gross problem.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* * * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

If that's the case that cockpit load is an issue, the ASW-19 and the
DG-100/101 were pre-JAR 22 and allowed a higher payload, rather than
the min-max 110kg. However, the only ASW-19 I looked over had a
mystery 10lbs we couldn't find (lead in tail?) and was heavily
equipped which brought the payload down to 225lbs tops.

A partner in a Genesis 2 might be the ticket.

Frank Whiteley

At 02:36 10 August 2009, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Chris Prince wrote:
I'm not a frequent reader of rec.aviation.soaring, so at the risk of
asking a common question, I'll pose my question. I fly cross country
here
in the meaty middle (cheesy middle? ) part of the US-- mostly
Wisconsin,
often Minnesota, sometimes Iowa, Illinois, South Dakota, Michigan. I
often
land off-field (in 50 cross country flights, or attempts, I've landed
off-field on 26 flights).

I'm curious about the "back-story". Who retrieves you all those
times?

I am fortunate to fly with a club where many people crew. A very good
buddy of mine -- Walter Johnson-- has crewed the most (21 flights). For
more details than you wanted--
http://www.d.umn.edu/~cprince/soaring/Flights/

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I want to change ships. Presently, I fly a Schweizer 1-35. While I
enjoy
the heck out of flying this ship, and have it pimped out just right
,
I
have reached max gross weight on the ship, and want to add more toys.
For
example, I want to take my ship out West to do some mountain flying,
and
thus need to add an O2 system. While some people decide to fly over
max
gross weight, I don't choose to do so.

The SSA Sailplane Directory shows a 260 pound payload for the 1-35,
which seems enough to carry plenty of toys. The gliders I'm familiar
with have a *lower* payload, so I'm not sure a different glider will
improve the situation. If you are likely to be close to the max cockpit
weight, you better carefully weigh any glider before you buy it and
determine the allowable cockpit load, or you will probably still have
the over-gross problem.

My 1-35 indicates 685 max gross in the manual. When I had all the
equipment I wanted (included 02 system), it weighed in at 520, leaving
pilot weight at 165. I weigh in at about 170 lbs. Parachute, clothes,
water etc. bring me in over gross.

I agree, I need to weigh any glider before buying.

Chris.


--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at
www.motorglider.org