NATCA Going Down in Flames

Do you understand you'd also have to remain clear of Class B, C, and D
airspace?

He's in Iowa. They don't have alphabet airspace there. g

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Matt Barrow wrote:

I remember the media pictures of the controllers on strike in 1981, dressed
like crap, while picketing. It sure didn't lend them any credibility.

There's a picket line dress code? G

In a past life, I spent some time picketing, and I thought you were
supposed to look poor.

A nice suit and a Beemer don't usually do much for public support during
a work stoppage.

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
Hee hee! We've discussed clothing-optional dress codes, here at the inn,
but we ultimately decided that (sadly) most of our guests look better with
clothes on.

Some more than others...


HEY!!!


Montblack
Heading to IOW (in a few hours) to drop off OSH gear.

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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In the end, the point isn't what I like, or what you like -- it's what
the employer likes. If the FAA decides that it wants you to wear polka
dot clown suits every day, so be it.

I will wear whatever my employer wishes, provided they also provide it.

In that case you quite likely would find yourself pursuing other
opportunities.

I require my project managers to wear slacks and at least a "golf" type
shirt when meeting clients/contractors in their offices. When entertaining
them in a restaurant, for example, a suit/sport coat and tie are mandatory.

I haven't had to buy anyone a suit yet, and I doubt I ever will.

Larry Dighera wrote:


It was under the old agreement, which expired. We were not under any
contract after that.


Why not? Surely NATCA members are working under an agreement between
the union and the FAA.

No. It expired.

wrote)
One can clearly see who is a union member, and who is not, thats for
sure..


http://www.yale.edu/terc/democracy/m...ges/Strike.jpg
My older sister painted this red fist image (no words) on her window shade
one summer - probably 1969. I was nine.

It was the 'age of' ...poster paint. :-)


Montblack
Dad got promoted to a management possition with the railroad, before I was
born, but still maintained his Union membership with monthly dues - until
the day he retired.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

I remember the media pictures of the controllers on strike in 1981,
dressed like crap, while picketing. It sure didn't lend them any
credibility.

There's a picket line dress code? G

In a past life, I spent some time picketing, and I thought you were
supposed to look poor.

For those outside aviation, do you think these guys looking like outright
bums instilled confidence that these bozos are the ones keeping the skies
safe?

A nice suit and a Beemer don't usually do much for public support during a
work stoppage.

They were light years removed from "nice suits". And their demeanor sure
didn't do them any favors either.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message

So management's power trumps collective bargaining for government
employees. Terrific. :-(

Not only for government employees, but for all employees -- but only under
certain specified conditions. I was quoting from Newps, who, iirc, is in
ATC and presumably ought to know these things regarding the issue in
question:

Perfectly legal in this case. The previous contract expired quite a
while ago. Negotiations broke down. The way federal law is written FAA
may impose their contract subject to approval by Congress. Congress
approved by not taking up the issue.

Procedures re labor law and negotiation are clearly specified. I got the
impression you're a union guy, too, Larry. Why aren't you up on these
details? I've been involved in unions and union elections several times
through my life. The rules are all there. You may not like them, and they
may sometimes seem slanted, convoluted, or bizarre, but they are there. All
you have to do is look it up.

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:


If the FAA can't even dictate a ban on flip flops in the workplace
without generating a union uproar (and open insubordination), the FAA
is irretrievably broken and *should* be privatized. What a shame it's
come to this.

Or the union has outlived its usefullness.

Assuming, of course, it was useful to begin with.

Don't think so.

("Emily" wrote)
Unions have nothing to do with government. A union levels the playing
field, which otherwise is skewed towards the employer.

But what's wrong with that? Granted, I have a great employer, but
employers aren't evil.


What's wrong with a boss grabbing some young thing's ta-ta's, in his office,
in exchange for not firing her?

Start with the Homestead Strike and work your way up to... 'your boss is not
allowed to grab your ta-ta's, in exchange for not firing you.'

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carnegie/peopleevents/pande04.html


Montblack