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Cecil, very eloquently written. Partisanship has almost become a
religion that gets passed down through the generations. Both republicans
and democrats are guilty of this. This is exactly what needs to change
in our country. It would be easy for a fascist to manipulate this
undying devotion to a political party and get into power.





"Cecil Chapman" wrote in
m:

Stupidly, they nominated a guy whose political positions were to the
left of Ted Kennedy's, absolutely ensuring a Bush victory.

There were many traditional Republicans out here -- myself included
-- who would have voted for a conservative Democrat in this election.
But there was just no way for any of us to vote for a guy like
Kerry.

The moral for the Democrats: Don't ever nominate an ultra liberal to
run for president again.

I have often wondered how some people come to the conclusions that
they do. Jay,,, for goodness sake you sound like you are a sock-puppet
mouthing the words of his puppeteer (Bush - who was famous for the
'Kerry's just like T. Kennedy' line). Kerry was far left? How,
where? If anything he was as centrist as Clinton was. You'd think he
belonged to the Communist party to hear the prattle that is coming off
of your tongue.

Unlike the man whose words you mouth, Kerry didn't pull special favors
to get into the National Guard to avoid the draft (he VOLUNTEERED for
duty), Kerry was never arrested DUI, nor was he a cocaine user. While
our boys were ducking bullets and embroiled in a hopeless conflict -
Bush was having beer parties with the boys - occasionally remembering
to show up for National Guard duty. Also, I'll bet you never even
took the time to watch the footage of Kerry before the special hearing
on Vietnam (which Bush would refer to often, without even citing a
single in-context quote from) when Kerry spoke most eloquently without
political bile of what was wrong with the Vietnam War and how it was a
mistake. He did this AFTER having been there (something Bush in his
petty cowardice, never did). He went there, saw how things were going
and recognized that we (the US) had made a mistake. There wasn't a
single misspoken word in his speech, back then (you see, unlike you, I
took it upon myself to view all the footage of the hearing - before
forming my opinions). Does integrity mean anything to you?

I worry about a country where there are individuals that can be so
easily molded with a political dogma and never bother to question or
actively challenge the ideas that are being presented to them. I've
voted for Democratic candidates, I've voted for Republican,,, you want
to know why, Jay? Because it is the benefit for the country that
counts not 'belonging to a club' and following their 'election
charter' like some mindless automaton.

Your candidate entered a war with an 'enemy' (Saddam) who had not
attacked us while the fellow that directly attacked us is running
around, comfortably making videos and apparently eating well. Bush
claimed he was entering the war to save the people from his cruel
tyranny - but what about the massive genocide that is going on in
parts of Africa right now - I haven't heard a peep from Bush about
that, or China's human rights violations, or North Korea's forming
nuclear arsenal ---- Ooops,,,, wait,,,,, I get it now,,,,,,,, there
is no OIL in Africa where innocents are being slaughtered every day,,,
there is no OIL in North Korea.... Isn't it funny,,,, a president who
is against stem cell research (which only the ignorant don't know)
uses embryos and NOT fetuses, has BIG problems with using a frozen
embryo that must be discarded after a certain length of time,,,, BUT
he will NOT hesitate to sacrifice living, breathing, human beings in a
war that had NO business being fought (I'm talking about Iraq here).
So, he will put living human beings (including women and children
involved in collateral damage from bombings that go astray) in body
bags,,, but wait! Don't ya dare touch a frozen embryo in a
'cryogenics' freezer. Can YOU say , hypocrisy? God forbid, that you
are your loved one needs medical aid that some new stem cell
technology could offer.

If there is any hope for our country, it will be when people learn to
abandon their mindless following of party affiliation and do as I (and
others) do; simply vote for the best man/woman for the job.

But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge
and learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,,
then we will REALLY have a great Nation.

A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:55:51 -0800, "David Brooks"
wrote:

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit.
snip
Nor does it belong in newsgroups not devoted to it.

If this was meant as a troll, it sure worked. 181 posts so far.

I agree with Michael (Damn! Did I just say that?). Politics and
religion belong on their own groups. Often it's difficult to keep
quiet when some one makes a strong statement as to one or the other
and that is what creates threads with 181 posts. I have to plead
guilty to having retorted to a few political posts on the groups this
year, but not many. At least not many compared to the number of on
topic posts I make.

Most of us get along quite well on here *most* of the time, although
probably a lot fewer would be able to get along in real life, or IRL
as the simmers call it.:-))

I try to remember that what ever my religious and political views,
there are probably as least as many who would take the other side of
the argument.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Greg Butler" wrote in message


But the real issue here is that the people who voted for Bush, on the
whole,
simply either refuse to believe the factual reports that contradict
everything Bush claimed and claims, or failed to pay attention to
those reports when they were made.

If you are talking about the iraq-terrorism connection then you are
dead wrong. Try reading the 911 commission report before making wild
claims.

That was Peter's statement, not mine. I've made no claims one way or
another about Saddam/9-11.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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"John T" wrote in message
That was Peter's statement, not mine. I've made no claims one way or
another about Saddam/9-11.

That was bad quoting on my part. I knew it was his, put it on the wrong
thread I guess.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message


They're not.

Such as?

Assuming you were looking for states that weren't quite so cold in the
winter there's Georgia, for starters.
Then there's Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, North Carolina,
Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona - even Florida
(at least away from Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach).

If you're looking for a conservative home that's not hot in the summer, you
might consider splitting time between Alaska and one of the Southern states.


--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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"Greg Butler" wrote in message
. ..

He said "OF COURSE the exit polls showed Kerry ahead early in the day --
all
the Republicans work for a living, and couldn't vote till after 6 PM!"

The funny part is that is exactly right.

Now wait a minute.........it's hard work sitting at home waiting for the
government check to show up.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
John T wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message


Why are all of the conservatives states in places that are cold in the
winter?


They're not.


Such as?

Most of the south?



Matt

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:32:43 -0700, Newps wrote:

Do you even know what a Mauser is?

A cat that keeps the rodent population down? ;-)

--
Steve
E-mail: steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com
Hong Kong, 05/11/2004 13:48:10

"John T" wrote in message
m...
Perhaps. Would you kindly parse this for me and let me know what you
really meant, then?

I meant exactly what I wrote. Nowhere in the statement that you quoted is
anything that could be construed as meaning "anybody voting for Bush failed
to pay attention or chose to ignore the facts". As I've stated elsewhere,
some 36% of the people voting for Bush did apparently have the facts.
"Anybody voting for Bush" would imply 0%, and I've not once said that.

Pete

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
Polls are facts about statistics.

I'd say just the opposite. Polls are statistics about facts.

Statistics are always about facts. Polls are the facts about the
statistics.

Yes, most of these polls have significant biases.

Such as?