FADEC = complex

Newps wrote in
:

He makes $600 a month, there is no cruise control in his inventory.
Except on his driving sim.

Probably true. But perhaps in his lifetime he has experienced the sensations
of riding in a car without controlling the speed, and might be able to relate
the sensations one might get if the speed changed or the tire blew out.

"Mxsmanic"
Got anything more serious?

Getting military power when you want idle, or idle when you want
military power, is about as serious as it can get.

Cite cases.

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In article .com,
says...


He's not my protege. He simply sounds like a older man with really
poor discussion skills. But injurious? No, don't think so.


My (and others') point has always been, that we haven't seem him
directly insult anyone. He's argued, yes, but never attacked anyone
as others have attacked him. Worse, the ones who attack him (and it's
always the same group) also attack anyone who dares question those kind
of gang tactics.

You are deeply mistaken.
You say there is a gang mentality here, but that simply is not the case. We
disagree amongst ourselves all the time, but no one ever gets ganged up on.
Anyone, pilot or no, can come here with a question - even a trivial, "stupid"
question, and will receive qualified, carefully prepared responses from career
level aviation professionals and experienced amateurs - I think that's pretty
good for starters. When the same person then turns around and says they don't
know what they're talking about, claims himself to be the only expert, takes on
the whole group, even when everyone says he is wrong, says they fly tin cans
and toys - I call that insulting.

I cannot give him the benefit of the doubt about someone with poor discussion
skills. I believe his presence here is a deliberate and vicarious
destabilization effort, and he is very close to a complete victory. This is not
so exceptional - there are plenty of usenet groups that have been hijacked
and wrecked by destructive individuals. I don't want to see that happen here,
and there are some others who share the concern, which is why we are fighting
to try to see it through.



The only problem I see with his postings is with those who feel the
need to constantly post negative responses. Since he obviously doesn't
let that affect him, then all they're doing is clogging up the
newsgroup for others. Shut up, let him and others post, and we'd be
in much better shape. It was actually going pretty well there for a
few weeks until the gang spoke up again.


Those who value this resource, and who are trying to defend it are probably
quite impefect in their methods, I admit. It certainly is leading to a lot of
bad blood that most here would probably prefer to avoid - but just "shut up"
and let him have the group? I don't think so - not yet. That will happen soon
enough, but we will call it "jumping ship" and we will refer to r.a.p. in the
past tense - a group that was destroyed through a hostile takeover.




In other words, I think Jim in NC is taking the really wrong road.
It's just going to make pilots look worse and worse.

To whom? To Mxmanic? He already has complete disdain for pilots. Perhaps
showing him that we're a craggier, more tenacious target than he had imagined
would not be so bad for our image . . .

GF










Regards, Kev

On 2006-11-24, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dylan Smith writes:

Today, I have a 1995 Audi A4, with completely electronic engine
controls. It runs as well as the day it left the factory.

If you fly a plane manually, and a problem with control surfaces
develops and progresses, you'll find it more and more difficult to
fly. If you have an autopilot, you'll notice nothing until the
problems with the control surfaces reach a point that is beyond the
ability of the autopilot to compensate. Then you will spiral down
into the ground. Which failure mode do you prefer?

We're talking about engine controls here - not flight controls. Please
stick to the subject!

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Dylan Smith wrote in
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We're talking about engine controls here - not flight controls. Please
stick to the subject!

Sticking to the subject does not suit his debating tactics. Sophistry works
better for him, and he is quite good at it. He steers the discussion like a
pilot steers a plane - slightly changing course every time he starts to lose
an argument so that us as passengers barely even notice.

I'm not sure what his destination is, but I'm hoping he runs out of fuel
soon.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Newps writes:


But he is fully aware of his heading.


But he is not aware of the position of the ailerons.

Yes he is. He's got that yoke thingy right in front of his face you
dumbass.

Nomen Nescio writes:

The autopilot does not move the joystick when you play pretend pilot.
The autopilot DOES move the yoke in my plane.

Well, all planes are not alike, but I'm aware that autopilots often
move the yoke.

How do you know what the ailerons are doing.........EYES.

Oh really? You know exactly how much aileron has been applied by
looking at the yoke? Or even by looking outside at the wing?

Anyway, if you are constantly doing this, why bother with the
autopilot? Just fly the plane manually.

The whole idea of the autopilot is to make it _unnecessary_ to do this
sort of thing. You don't have to look at the yoke or the ailerons;
the autopilot worries about that. You sacrifice your awareness of the
aileron position in exchange for a lower workload.

The smart pilot will _occasionally_ glance at instruments to see if
anything looks odd, but he will not continuously monitor the
autopilot's actions. That would defeat the purpose of the autopilot.

If you glance at the yoke from time to time and you notice that it
seems to always be turned sharply to one side, that may be cause for
concern. If you notice that your airspeed seems lower than it was
before even though your altitude hasn't changed, check your attitude
to see if the autopilot is concealing a power setting that is too low.
Little things like that you can do periodically. But you cannot and
should not stare at the controls continuously just to see what the
autopilot is doing.

To a certain extent, you have to accept that something may escape your
awareness while you're on autopilot. That's why you check everything
carefully before you turn it off, to avoid any surprises. Make sure
it's not straining to keep your wings level or to maintain your
altitude; if it is, find out why before you disconnect.

Unusual moves are very obvious.

No, they are not, as many accident reports prove. That's why an
occasional glance at the controls and instruments doesn't hurt. On
autopilot, the signs of something unusual are different from what they
would be if the autopilot were off. It's especially important to
check everything before you disconnect the autopilot.

How do you know that if you don't actually operate any?

I have operated some vehicles, with an excellent track record for
safety. Safety in aviation is largely a matter of procedures, not
seat-of-the-pants flying.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Nomen Nescio writes:


The autopilot does not move the joystick when you play pretend pilot.
The autopilot DOES move the yoke in my plane.


Well, all planes are not alike, but I'm aware that autopilots often
move the yoke.

In GA planes, which is what we're talking about here, they all move.




How do you know what the ailerons are doing.........EYES.


Oh really?

Yes, really. You're such an idiot.



You know exactly how much aileron has been applied by
looking at the yoke?


Yes, why would you think otherwise? That's right you're a pretend pilot.





Or even by looking outside at the wing?

Anyway, if you are constantly doing this, why bother with the
autopilot? Just fly the plane manually.

What a moronic question.




The whole idea of the autopilot is to make it _unnecessary_ to do this
sort of thing.


No, it's not the whole idea.




You don't have to look at the yoke or the ailerons;
the autopilot worries about that. You sacrifice your awareness of the
aileron position in exchange for a lower workload.

Mission accomplished. I now become a manager.





The smart pilot will _occasionally_ glance at instruments to see if
anything looks odd, but he will not continuously monitor the
autopilot's actions.

The smart pilot? How would you ever know?






Unusual moves are very obvious.


No, they are not,


Yes they are.




I have operated some vehicles, with an excellent track record for
safety.

Yes, it's hard to get hurt on your tricycle.

Newps writes:

In GA planes, which is what we're talking about here, they all move.

All is a broad statement. Have you flown all GA planes?

There seems to be great variability in autopilot implementations, and
it is certainly possible to design one that does not move the yoke.

Yes, really.

It seems that it would take quite a bit of stretching around the
windows to see exactly what the ailerons are doing on both wings, at
least from what I've seen of the way cockpits are arranged. That's
very distracting when you have other things to do.

Yes, why would you think otherwise?

Because I know how inaccurate such eyeball estimates typically are.
Pilots have the same physiology as everyone else.

The smart pilot? How would you ever know?

I suppose all the sources I read could be conspiring to mislead me.

Yes, it's hard to get hurt on your tricycle.

When I was very little, I used to ride a tricycle with no handlebars.
The handlebars had come off, but I discovered that it was possible to
steer by using asymmetrical pressure on the pedals.

The other vehicles I've operated have been cars and scooters. I think
that's all, although I'm not certain.

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Nomen Nescio writes:

Yes

How?

Wrong

You see, this is why I don't accept answers as given. I write a
paragraph to explain how I've reached a particular conclusion, and
then someone else writes "Wrong," followed by nothing. Do you really
expect me to accept answers like that? I'm not stupid.

Don't need to. I still know. can't miss it.

A sixth sense, eh? Odd that commercial pilots with thousands of hours
don't seem to have this sixth sense. Perhaps one must be born with
it.

How would you know?

Because I do research and learn. It's more productive than bickering
here.

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