"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton

"dVaridel" wrote in
u:

"John Mazor" wrote
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote
Because it's implicit in the scientific method that nothing is 100%
certain,
Somethign that has been explained to you over and over and over and
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And still you won't get it.

Now that's a sig worth considering.

...... But but (tm) ...... it's more than 4 lines and there was no
"-----" thingy.




You shoulda seen my old sig. It was several hundred lines.


Bertie

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kuxgj.25686$Ux2.22866@attbi_s22:

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing
IEDs and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.
I stand by my statement. America is a nation of many religions,
united by one culture. The underlying (or, rather, over-arching)
principles of our constitution were laid out by Christian men,


Nope. Jefferson was definitely an Atheist and the others likely so
from all available evidence

Bertie

Nope, Jefferson was most likely a Deist.


Mmm, maybe. We'll never know for sure but he would most definitley would
have given Oral Roberts short shrift.

Bertie

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

the temp change is almost irrelevant in itself. It;s the Wx changes
that it's going to produce that are the problem.

Also you're going to have to replace florida.


Bertie


Well they can't tell me what the weathers going to be with anything
close to certainty next month why the hell should I believe them
when they say what it will be 10, 20 or 50 years down the road?


Actually, forecasting has become incredibly accurate in the last
twenty years and is getting better all the time, short term
certainly. I never cease to be amazed at how accurate winds aloft
are, for the most part, and terminal forecasting is probably ten
times more accurate than it was even ten or fifteen years ago.

As to the predictions they're making long term, so far the trend
seems to be accurate. More wind, more storms. record highs and lows..
As for Florida, I can live with that.


Mmm me too.

Shame about the everglades, though.

Bertie



Come on Bertie, they said this was going to be a dry winter in the
Western US. Hasn't been the case.

Both of the last two years they have said would be the worst Hurricane
seasons on record. Both years they were wrong. If they keep saying
that every year sooner or later they are going to be right.

OK, point taken.


Of course if the Wx is chaging dramatically, then extremes will become
more common and they'll be worknig with an ever more unfamiliar model.
I'm looking at a very fierce gale at the moment.and we've lost more
trees this year than we have in all the years I've lived at this place.

Bertie

Grumman-581 wrote in news:47833a52
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WolfRat wrote:

His Mother is white
His so called Father a.k.a. sperm donor is black

He was raised by his white GRANDPARENTS

So, his mother was a slut...

Ever notice that when a white guy dates a black girl, she's *really*
nice looking, but when a black guy dates a white girl, she's the
skankiest whore that you've ever seen? I'm not sure if that says
something about what type of girl would date a black guy or just that us
white guys have better taste ...... or both ....

Well, it says volumes about you, that's for sure.



Bertie

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
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Neil Gould wrote:



The same cannot be said about an ecosystem that will no longer
support
human life.

Neil




Please cite one legit source that says the current Global warming
trend
is going to bring about an ecosystem that will no longer support human
life.

If humans are causing GW then with the exception of us doing something
that causes a VERY rapid and overwhelmingly great change (like popping
off several 1000 nukes) there isn't anything we can do to cause that
sort of change because long before enough had been done to kill
everyone
enough would be done to kill enough of us to stop the human caused
GW.



Right I want you to read through this over and over again, mantra like
over and over and over and over.

Bertie


Are you doing it?

Over and over and over..

Get to it.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kuxgj.25686$Ux2.22866@attbi_s22:

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing
IEDs and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.
I stand by my statement. America is a nation of many religions,
united by one culture. The underlying (or, rather, over-arching)
principles of our constitution were laid out by Christian men,

Nope. Jefferson was definitely an Atheist and the others likely so
from all available evidence

Bertie
Nope, Jefferson was most likely a Deist.


Mmm, maybe. We'll never know for sure but he would most definitley would
have given Oral Roberts short shrift.

Bertie


For sure, probably not, but his writings certainly point towards it and
you are also right that he wouldn't be a fan of Oral Roberts. But then
again there are lots of Christians that aren't a fan of Oral Roberts.


p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of the
last sentence.

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kuxgj.25686$Ux2.22866@attbi_s22:

Our culture -- not our religion -- is the only thing preventing
IEDs and suicide bombers in America.
Wow.

You are not who I thought you are, Jay.

I'm saddened, by your stand on this.
I stand by my statement. America is a nation of many religions,
united by one culture. The underlying (or, rather, over-arching)
principles of our constitution were laid out by Christian men,

Nope. Jefferson was definitely an Atheist and the others likely so
from all available evidence

Bertie
Nope, Jefferson was most likely a Deist.


Mmm, maybe. We'll never know for sure but he would most definitley
would have given Oral Roberts short shrift.

Bertie


For sure, probably not, but his writings certainly point towards it
and you are also right that he wouldn't be a fan of Oral Roberts. But
then again there are lots of Christians that aren't a fan of Oral
Roberts.

And Jefferson wasn't much of a fan of them either.
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"


p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of
the last sentence.


Took me a minute to get that!

I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


And Jefferson wasn't much of a fan of them either.
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"

Well if we are going to start quoting the man I always liked this one.

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the
human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or
that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but
I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and
Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of
immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy
it certainly is.

And my very favorite:

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact,
every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason,
than that of blindfolded fear.


But let's remember what organized Christian religion was back then. It
was the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church. The first was
headed by the King of England who Jefferson and damn near everyone else
in the US had every reason to dislike. But both tied back to way to much
the European Monarchies of the time for Jefferson to connect himself
to even if he believed in every single word of their dogma.

Also, remember that Jefferson was not only a politician he was also
pretty much a hippy and a lot of his beliefs didn't exactly jive with
even the mainstream of the day.




p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of
the last sentence.


Took me a minute to get that!

I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one. While I don't really think GW
didn't say it he was probably caught mid babble. Even if I thought GW
was the best President we ever had I would also have to admit he is the
worst public speaker we have ever had in that office. At least since the
advent of TV and maybe radio. But it is kind of fitting because it is a
perfect counter balance to Bill Clinton who while he made everything
sound great he really never said anything. Obama is pretty much the same
as Clinton. He's talked a lot about "Change" but really hasn't
mentioned change to what and how he intends to get there.

For those of you that really hate GW and everything he stands for just
be thankful he wasn't a great speaker because if he was you'd really be
screwed.

Gig601XLBuilder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


And Jefferson wasn't much of a fan of them either.
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"

Well if we are going to start quoting the man I always liked this one.

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by
Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this
heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know.
But heresy it certainly is.

And my very favorite:

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact,
every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of
reason, than that of blindfolded fear.


That is good.




But let's remember what organized Christian religion was back then. It
was the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church. The first was
headed by the King of England who Jefferson and damn near everyone
else in the US had every reason to dislike. But both tied back to way
to much
the European Monarchies of the time for Jefferson to connect himself
to even if he believed in every single word of their dogma.

And that has improved over time, how?

Also, remember that Jefferson was not only a politician he was also
pretty much a hippy and a lot of his beliefs didn't exactly jive with
even the mainstream of the day.

Now there's understatement. Unless you meant to say the mainstream of
today...

in any case, he wasn't the only one who wouldn't have thought much of
the modern christian right.






p.s. It was very difficult not to drop Mr. Roberts last name out of
the last sentence.


Took me a minute to get that!

I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I
don't think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor
should they be considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one. While I don't really think GW
didn't say it he was probably caught mid babble. Even if I thought GW
was the best President we ever had I would also have to admit he is
the worst public speaker we have ever had in that office. At least
since the advent of TV and maybe radio. But it is kind of fitting
because it is a perfect counter balance to Bill Clinton who while he
made everything sound great he really never said anything. Obama is
pretty much the same
as Clinton. He's talked a lot about "Change" but really hasn't
mentioned change to what and how he intends to get there.



For those of you that really hate GW and everything he stands for just
be thankful he wasn't a great speaker because if he was you'd really
be screwed.


No no, not Shrub.

It was his father. I don't think Shrub even knows what an atheist is.
Not that that would stop him from opining on the subject.


He said it in a newspaper interview.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:38:46 -0600, Gig601XLBuilder
wrote in
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I also can't see him being too enamored of GB s statement "No, I don't
think that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considerd patriots. this is one nation under God"


I'm going to call 'Cite' on this one.

http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2002/0303.htm
http://www.robsherman.com/informatio.../2004/0204.htm
I contacted the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas.
They are archived as Item # CF01193-002.