Student Drop-Out Rates...why?

"Jay Honeck" wrote \

One idea: If you've ever driven past Gary, Indiana, you would see mile
after mile of abandoned steel mills (that employed thousands, and used to
stink to holy heaven when I was a boy). That would be a perfect location
for a new refinery or ten.

Problem there is the fact that a supertanker doesn't fit too well in the
Great Lakes locks, and that means no good way to get all of the crude up
there, needed for the refinery to work well. (or at all) :-)
--
Jim in NC

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:14:55 -0600, Newps wrote
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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:03:15 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in DF9Pe.5727$Ck2.3269@trndny04::


Larry Dighera wrote:

Oh yeah. That was the year he was impeached, wasn't it.

Nixon was never impeached.



Right. It's been a while. After his Vice President was caught taking
bribe money, and Nixon with his henchmen burglarizing etc. he resigned
under threat of impeachment, so that he wouldn't further disgrace the
office.

Unlike one of his successors.


If you're referring to Clinton, are you referring to this:
http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/79-3/Tiersma.pdf
or this: http://www.alamo-girl.com/0041.htm ?

On 2005-08-26, Jay Honeck wrote:
Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.

I'd rather pay a bit more money for my avgas than have to smell the
stink of refineries.

Even with current regulations, the air in the area of Houston I used to
live turned green some days. The DE that I did my instrument ride with
told me it used to be much worse - the premature deaths, rivers catching
on fire, no fish in the bay etc. when he used to live in nearby Beaumont
(another refinery town). The EPA regulations if anything need to be
stricter still.

In any case, it's not economically impossible to build a new refinery.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

On 2005-08-25, Michael wrote:
So what's the pull-over factor like when your tire blows out or your
power brakes or power steering go out in 60 mph traffic (keeping in
mind that the latter two will happen if the engine dies)?

On a point of pedantry (it is Usenet after all), many cars won't lose
power steering or the servo-assisted brakes if the engine quits. In the
case of a manual transmission car, so long as the engine is still
actually turning, so will the power steering pump. If the engine quits,
leave it in gear until you've scrubbed off most the speed. This will
also keep the vacuum that operates the brake servo.

The brake servo on most cars is still good for at least a couple of
brake applications even with the engine completely stopped.

In any case, you just need to stand on the brakes hard even when the
servo is completely exhausted and you can still get full braking action.
Loss of power steering at 60mph (where you're more than likely going in
a mostly straight line) isn't too difficult to deal with - you aren't
likely to need to make massive steering inputs at that speed anyway.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

On 2005-08-26, Jay Honeck wrote:
One idea: If you've ever driven past Gary, Indiana, you would see mile
after mile of abandoned steel mills (that employed thousands, and used to
stink to holy heaven when I was a boy). That would be a perfect location
for a new refinery or ten.

Erm, there's a reason why all the oil refineries are in places like
Houston and Beaumont, and not in the mid-West.

It would be nice if our supposed "oil president" would issue an executive
order mandating construction of new refineries, pronto -- environmental
restrictions be damned.

Ah. Rape, pillage, poison the earth! And of course, cause premature
death to anyone living downwind.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Jose opined

Unfortunately, it's that "nice odor" (or lack thereof) that cost billions,
and has made it economically impossible for any oil company to build a new
refinery.

... and that's a Good Thing.

Nobody says that it is a bad thing... But it is an expensive thing .


-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

In the
case of a manual transmission car, so long as the engine is still
actually turning, so will the power steering pump.

And manual transmission cars are what, 10% of the US fleet?

I actually knew a pilot of a single engine airplane (a much-modifed
Swift) who had never made a power-off landing in his airplane, and
wasn't even sure it could be done. He was literally banking on the
engine (a Continental IO-360). It didn't help that he had (legally -
it is a long-standing field approval) covered up the slots in the wings
for speed, so the plane offered very little stall warning.

His engine crapped out on him while he was taking a relative for a
ride. He was about 50 ft above a rice field when he inadvertently
stalled the airplane and pancaked in. Killed himself and his
passenger.

Michael

On 2005-08-26, Michael wrote:
In the
case of a manual transmission car, so long as the engine is still
actually turning, so will the power steering pump.

And manual transmission cars are what, 10% of the US fleet?

Still, if your engine quits at 60 mph you're likely to be going in a
straight line anyway, so it's not going to be such a big deal. And as I
said, the brakes will still get servo assistance for at least one or two
applications. Both still work - I've had engines quit on automatic
transmission cars and still been able to steer and brake (and this was
in a large Dodge pickup, not some little econobox). I'm hardly the
world's strongest guy.

The pull-over factor was still there.

It wasn't for the pilot of the Swift.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:27:37 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Jay Honeck" wrote \

One idea: If you've ever driven past Gary, Indiana, you would see mile
after mile of abandoned steel mills (that employed thousands, and used to
stink to holy heaven when I was a boy). That would be a perfect location
for a new refinery or ten.

Problem there is the fact that a supertanker doesn't fit too well in the
Great Lakes locks, and that means no good way to get all of the crude up
there, needed for the refinery to work well. (or at all) :-)

There's plans for a new/additional lock, but I don't think you can get
super tankers as far as the Great Lakes. Maybe, but I don't recall
any really wide boats/ships on them.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:55 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We are dangerously low on refinery capacity, and current EPA regulations
make it essentially impossible to build any more in the U.S.

It's insane, but it's the law.

And what would you run through them once you built them?
If you want to see the price of crude really go up, just add more
refinery capacity. Of course that would increase our dependency on
foreign oil even more.

We don't need more refinery capacity, we need to use less


So you wouldn't have any problem with a new refinery coming on-line up
wind of your abode?

Depends on how far upwind.

One idea: If you've ever driven past Gary, Indiana, you would see mile
after mile of abandoned steel mills (that employed thousands, and used to
stink to holy heaven when I was a boy). That would be a perfect location

What do you mean used to? I flew down through there last summer and
it was darn near IFR on a sunshiny day. I was actually thinking about
filing when it started clearing up as I got to the south of Gary. It
was making me cough at 5,000 feet. Admittedly it's nothing like it
was back in the 60s and 70s but it's still a highly polluted area.
Yes, I'm familiar with what it used to be like as I had an uncle who
worked down there.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com