Co-pilot gets sick, stewardess helps land airplane

Mxsmanic wrote:


Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall?

Yes.

No. The little airplane you see on the screen may stall, but
you have absolutely no insight at all into what a stall *feels*
like.

Bob M.

Bob Myers wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a
great deal more about driving than someone who has played driving
games on a personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever
use simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better
off flying a simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While
the simulation isn't the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot
closer than the real-world experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience. For that matter,
the "simulator" in your case really isn't one. It's a computer game,
something which is VERY far removed from what the airlines call
a simulator. It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

Bob M.

The army uses...simulators. They fight wars with it...you don't even
have to go outside...

Bob Myers wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:


Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall?

Yes.

No. The little airplane you see on the screen may stall, but
you have absolutely no insight at all into what a stall *feels*
like.

Bob M.

what version of microsoft flight simulator do you use?

Bob Myers wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:


Tell us: does the simulator simulate a stall?

Yes.

No. The little airplane you see on the screen may stall, but
you have absolutely no insight at all into what a stall *feels*
like.

Bob M.

ever seen a plane crash where every single person died except two people lived?

Hatunen wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:14:36 -0700, The Starmaker
wrote:

Bob Myers wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a
great deal more about driving than someone who has played driving
games on a personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever
use simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better
off flying a simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While
the simulation isn't the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot
closer than the real-world experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience. For that matter,
the "simulator" in your case really isn't one. It's a computer game,
something which is VERY far removed from what the airlines call
a simulator. It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

The army uses...simulators. They fight wars with it...you don't even
have to go outside...

And this has to do with flying an airplane how?

Do you suppose your typical lieutenant taking simulator training
will be allowed to become a tank commander without actually ever
having been in a tank?

Why not?

What is a unmanned aerial vehicle, that thing they call a drone? You
gotta be great with a sim to fly that!

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:14:36 -0700, The Starmaker
wrote:

Bob Myers wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

No, it's like saying that anyone who has driven any car knows a
great deal more about driving than someone who has played driving
games on a personal computer, no matter how sophisticated.

But that is also an incorrect statement.

If only real flying experience were important, then nobody would ever
use simulators. In fact, if someone wants to fly a 747, he is better
off flying a simulator of a 747 than he is flying a Cessna 152. While
the simulation isn't the same as flying a 747 for real, it's a lot
closer than the real-world experience of a Cessna 172 would be.

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience. For that matter,
the "simulator" in your case really isn't one. It's a computer game,
something which is VERY far removed from what the airlines call
a simulator. It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

The army uses...simulators. They fight wars with it...you don't even
have to go outside...

And this has to do with flying an airplane how?

Do you suppose your typical lieutenant taking simulator training
will be allowed to become a tank commander without actually ever
having been in a tank?

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Bob Myers writes:

No. The little airplane you see on the screen may stall, but
you have absolutely no insight at all into what a stall *feels*
like.

I have some insight into it, but what it feels like is not terribly important.

Bob Myers writes:

But the simulator experience you're talking about is absolutely
meaningless without real-world flight experience.

I don't share that opinion, nor is it widely held.

In fact, it's possible to pursue simulation as an end in itself. It does have
certain advantages that real flight does not.

For that matter, the "simulator" in your case really isn't one.
It's a computer game, something which is VERY far removed from
what the airlines call a simulator.

Clearly, it's been a long time since you last used a desktop simulator.

It is, in fact, absolutely nothing like a real simulator, and
essentially useless for meaningful flight training.

The U.S. military disagrees with you, and has for the past decade (that is,
through several versions of MSFS). So do many pilots, flight schools, and
instructors.

In general, it can be said that anyone who absolutely dismisses or worships
flight simulation is misguided or has some sort of ax to grind.

Hatunen writes:

And this has to do with flying an airplane how?

The military also uses desktop flight simulators, including Microsoft Flight
Simulator.

Do you suppose your typical lieutenant taking simulator training
will be allowed to become a tank commander without actually ever
having been in a tank?

It's certainly conceivable, but I don't know if it is actually done.

Bob Myers writes:

Frankly - no, you don't.

Since you don't know the extent of my knowledge, you are not in a position to
assess it. So why not talk about aviation instead?