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  #251  
Old July 26th 06, 05:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Travis Marlatte
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I don't have No Trespassing signs in my yard or on my house. However, I
expect everyone - with no exceptions - to recognize that it is not public
property and that is not acceptable to be prowling around. On the other
hand, there are many public places that are off limits. The lack of signs
does not indicate the intent of the owner (private or public).

Airports used to be friendly, inviting places where people did go to just
hang out. It was common for non-pilots to become pilots simply by being
handy for an invitation. For the most part, the terrorists have at least put
a notch in their anti-freedom belt. They have changed our perspective about
what is and what is not acceptable behavior in almost all situations.

On the other hand, I have the freedom to go flying whenever I want. I just
have to ask my significant other first. I am never told no but going without
asking will have dire consequences. Is that true freedom or not?

I can go to any small airport and take all the pictures I want. Out of
respect for the owners and operators, I will make my presence known and give
them the chance to object. The act of asking practically eliminates the
chance that they will refuse. However, to bypass that courtesy will
certainly raise their suspicions. It would have (should have) raised their
suspicions prior to 9/11 but probably not to the level of taking action.
Now, the threshold for action is much lower.

However, in the spirit of freedom, we should approach such situations, as
another poster said, in a friendly way, with the presumption of innocence.
Trust but verify. With a "Howdy! Ya like airplanes?" attitude rather than
"Can I see some ID?"

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Travis
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
. ..

The airport in question most certainly is not private property, and there
are no signs posted on the field or even notices posted in the FBO
directing visitors, ramp walkers, or picture takers to check-in, show ID,
or anything else.

KB



  #252  
Old July 26th 06, 09:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Matt,

And you, in contrast, are just a fountain of facts. Not.


At least I don't start insulting people when I run out of ideas. Though
maybe I should...

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  #253  
Old July 26th 06, 09:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Matt,

It is obvious that you haven't yet learned to think on your own and
probably are still living with your parents.



You've now posted several personal attacks against Emily. ...


I've not posted a single personal attack. Just making some observations
that are consistent with the posts being made.


Ah, so soon after giving out the prize for the dumbest post, you win it back
for yourself...

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  #254  
Old July 26th 06, 10:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Matt,

Much less of a problem than the prior regime which largely ignored
terrorists and let them get strong and well organized. Almost all of
the planning and preparation for 9/11 occurred during the Clinton
regime. Then again, you are too young to remember that.


Man, another winner for your own prize. You need to stop that.

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  #255  
Old July 26th 06, 12:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Emily wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote:
snip


Anyone who doesn't want to carry a gun is free to do so, the armed
citizen will protect you. But the other way around, you don't have a
right to tell us that we can't protect ourselves and our families.



Hey, I'm *totally* fine with people owning guns. I'd own one myself if
I hadn't just bought a house, car, and checkout in a Seneca. What I'm
not ok with is someone *knowing* that I own a gun. That makes me feel
LESS safe. I don't want to be killed in my house by my own gun. Don't
get me wrong, I'd use it, but I don't need someone breaking in, finding
it, and using it on me when I get home. And with cc permit info out
there for everyone, it would be very easy to find those people.

Because let's face it, it's hard for a woman to conceal a firearm in
Texas in the summer. It's got to stay in the house.


Woman have more options for concealed carry. Purses and bras can be
very good places, unless the woman is very underendowed. Even then, a
purse is about as good as it gets. Men have a harder time concealing a
handgun as few carry purses and wallets aren't large enough.

I suppose in Texas a hat would be a good choice!

Matt
  #256  
Old July 26th 06, 12:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Thomas Borchert wrote:

Matt,


And you, in contrast, are just a fountain of facts. Not.



At least I don't start insulting people when I run out of ideas. Though
maybe I should...


Yes, that would be an improvement.

Matt
  #257  
Old July 26th 06, 12:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Thomas Borchert wrote:

Matt,


It is obvious that you haven't yet learned to think on your own and
probably are still living with your parents.


You've now posted several personal attacks against Emily. ...


I've not posted a single personal attack. Just making some observations
that are consistent with the posts being made.



Ah, so soon after giving out the prize for the dumbest post, you win it back
for yourself...


You obviously haven't seen a personal attack before.

Matt
  #258  
Old July 26th 06, 01:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Emily[_1_]
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Jim Macklin wrote:
Parking lots are not sterile areas and guns are allowed,
even in the checked baggage on the airlines.


I dunno, we have the signs up in the parking lot and the building saying
cc is not permitted. Yeah, I can leave it unloaded, but what's the
point in that?

This is a large airport, btw, not a GA one. And a very large company.
They're kinda paranoid.
  #259  
Old July 26th 06, 01:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Matt,

You obviously haven't seen a personal attack before.


I have. And lame backpedaling, too.

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  #260  
Old July 26th 06, 01:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Macklin
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They probably offer a burial benefit.



"Emily" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| Parking lots are not sterile areas and guns are allowed,
| even in the checked baggage on the airlines.
|
| I dunno, we have the signs up in the parking lot and the
building saying
| cc is not permitted. Yeah, I can leave it unloaded, but
what's the
| point in that?
|
| This is a large airport, btw, not a GA one. And a very
large company.
| They're kinda paranoid.


 




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