We Are All Spaniards

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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The terrorists (what is "the arab empire"?) are not after world
domination, but after their nation's freedom from western domination.
They want US and its allies to get out of the middle west.

Jay H? Can you confirm or deny that we western domination and military
allies in Iowa?

The AFTLOI (Army for the Liberation of Iowa) has a huge following in most
counties outside of Iowa City. Although I am sympathetic of their cause,
I
am forced to lay low and keep quiet by the pro-government forces in this
University-town, who rightfully see the US and their allies as their main
source of jobs and income.

It's a damned frustrating place to live, but rest assured -- most of us
want
the U.S. and their allies out of the Middle West!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



LOL!

Good answer!

Jay B

"Newps" wrote in message
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Israel did not kick the Palestinians out of present day Israel.


Quite right. The Jews forced no Arabs off their land. Many Arabs, those
that are referred to as Palestinians, abandoned their land at the behest of
their fellow Arabs in Jordan, Syria, etc. They were to leave while the Arab
states drove the Jews into the sea, then the Arabs would return and have all
of the land. Israel would not exist. But the Arabs lost the war, and those
that had abandoned their land within the new state of Israel were now
homeless. The Arabs that didn't abandon their land are now citizens of
Israel. They vote, hold seats in the Knesset, and have the highest standard
of living among any Arabs in the world. Other than the relative few that
control large quantities of oil, of course.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:19:43 -0600, "Gig Giacona"
wrote:

Well we do have an election in November and with their success in Spain I
would very surprised if we don't have a major terrorism attempt in the US in
October.

The Democrats will be praying very hard against that possibility!
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Cub Driver wrote:

This is addressed in the Wall Street Journal today. The writer points
to Poland as the next probable target, since it too has troops in


14 or so soldiers as far as I know. (at least this is what I have seen on
TV)

You should get out more. There are over 1500 Polish troops in Iraq.

2.500 Polish soldiers.

Buuut with Spaniards gone and another three countries withdrawing
their support, there would be BIIG problem. We are poor country and
sending more troops would be very unpopular, while if we won't find
replacement, the multinational division would become too weak to keep
their job.

We prefer term Central Europe from Eastern, BTW. There is more
differences between Poles and Russian than between Poles and Germans.

In article hE85c.8720$J05.102917@attbi_s01, "Michael 182"
writes:

How did you get from electing socialists to legitimizing Islam
fundamentalists?

Quite simple. By staging their attack just before an election, the Islamic
facists effectively took down an entire government. The socialists were
expected to loose by a wide margin before the attack. Most socialist parties
and organizations have been far more friendly to the Islamic cause than anyone
else. Expect similar just before the next election in Britain.

Fortunately, we may be luckier, as such an attack in America would likely have
the opposite effect. We will see.

John

ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote in message ...
...
The sooner we drag them out of the sixth century, the fewer of them we will
have to kill to stop the violence. Dropping the rule of law and self
determination right into the heart of the middle east in Iraq is the quickest
way to bring the struggle to an end.

I hope you do realize the contradiction in that last statement...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:Yw66c.32304$_w.539101@attbi_s53...
If you read the entire thread, you will find that you have missed this
salient point: It doesn't matter one whit if the Spanish voted for the
Socialists because they were influenced by Martians. Rather, what matters
is this: The terrorists must now perceive that elections and troop
deployments can be influenced by indiscriminate attacks on innocent "soft"
targets.

Then I hope the terrorists are better informed than most people in
this group. If Aznar's administration hadn't manipulated the
information, and if the Spanish people hadn't been 90% against the
invasion of Irak, the bombings, in all probability, woudn't have
changed the election.

This is a very bad thing.

2. Terrorists are not fighting a religious war. They are fighting the
US and its allies, not Christianity.

No one here says they're fighting Christianity, although that is the
under-current of the conversation. But their fight goes well beyond the "US
and its allies." Rather, it encompasses all of Western civilization and
Western morals and standards.

It was explicitly stated that this was a religious war (see cites
below).

I don't think the target is all Western civilization, or they would be
attacking all democratic nations, which they are clearly not. They are
attacking the interests of the US and its allies. They are very
explicit regarding this in their messages through Al-Jazeera.

What I percieve is that a lot of people in the US can't face that they
are the target because that would mean they did something to deserve
it, and that seems to be unthinkable. Hollywood movies have hammered
the concept of "the good american boy" so hard into their brains, that
many seem unable to see it in any other way. Rather, they would have
the "western civilization", the "modern societies" and everything that
is good be the target, so they can demonize the enemy and expect the
rest of the world to join them in this war. Of course, as the rest of
the world does not see it that way (even in the US's allied countries
most people don't see it that way), then the rest of the world must be
wrong and anti-american, and they are "agains us" because they are not
"with us". Bull****.


"Dan Luke" wrote in message ...
We are in a religious war. We didn't choose it, but we've got it.

(Corky Scott) wrote in message ...
...This thing is religion based, but it's based on an apparently warped
interpretation of the Koran. But that doesn't matter to them. To the
people who believe in this Islamic Jihad, it's the most rational thing
on earth, or they could not be persuaded to die for the cause.

ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Alex) writes:


Also, why do you assume freedom = democracy? For most people, freedom
means to be left alone to live their lives any way they want. In your
case, that means a certain political system, a certain culture, a
certain moral system, etc. In the case of the arab world, it means
something different. Who is to say that this is wrong? You can't apply
your particular moral system to another culture.


This would be why everywhere they gain power over the indigents they impose
Sahria?

So the US has gained power over Middle East and after that they
started imposing the "American Way"? Not so. The US wants to impose
its influence all over the world, particularly where economic
interests are involved. They do it because they can, which is, in my
opinion, very immoral.

But if you are so caritative that you want to help the world, what
about sending AIDS drugs and food to Africa? It would be much cheaper
and it would help many more people without killing anyone. So tell me,
why is the US not doing this? I'll tell you: because it isn't in the
interest of the US economic powers (read defense, oil, and
reconstruction bussinesses).

"John Galban" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"John Galban" wrote in message
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That's a BS myth -- they were most definitely NOT indiscriminante.

Boy, I really hate to step into this thread, but there were
incidents of what would be called "terrorism" today by the jewish
factions in pre-Israeli palestine. The bombing of the King David
Hotel in 1946 comes to mind.

Better get some more info because that's (KD Hotel) one of the worst
myths.
British were warned repeatedly and well in advance and arrogantly
ignored
all the warnings.

No Tom, it's not a myth. The bombing actually took place and it was
done by a faction of the pro-jewish movement (IIRC, the Irgun). The
bombers admitted their participation publicly.

That's not what I said.


Using your logic, an action is not a terrorist action if you call
and warn someone in advance.

I would say that's a fair estimate.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:



I, for one, do not blame the Palestinians for fighting for their land.

Unfortunately the Palestinians don't have any land. Never did. Israel
did not kick the Palestinians out of present day Israel.

Most Palestinians came from Jordon...when they were kicked out.