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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:59:58 GMT ET wrote:

"R. Hubbell" wrote in news:kp1Cb.56$pY.17
@fed1read04:

At least until all the forests are gone there, yes.


Uh, last I checked, tree's are a crop....


I missed the point if it is here.


R. Hubbell



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On 11 Dec 2003 21:09:35 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

In article kp1Cb.56$pY.17@fed1read04, "R. Hubbell"
writes:

writes:


Those $5 picture frames will have a long term cost that cannot be paid
back.



Those $5 picture frames are what those folks have to offer, for now.


At least until all the forests are gone there, yes.



Uh huh, so you think they're going to deplete the rainforests making picture
frames.

You may not realize it but they are making much more than picture frames.
I came across a beautiful coat tree at an antique dealer, one of those
consigment places, and this coat tree was for sale with a price that an
antique would fetch. I almost bought it but didn't when on closer
inspection I realized it was made from tropical hardwood (not oak).
I didn't buy it because I wanted an antique. My point is that there
are so many thing made from tropical hardwoods you wouldn't even guess.


So,you have no real answers, just leftist slogans.

Next come the accussations of greed.


It seems you have run out of arguments. And now have resorted to circumstantial
ad hominem. This is a place for discourse.



R. Hubbell


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:55:31 -0500 "G.R. Patterson III" wrote:



Wdtabor wrote:

Uh huh, so you think they're going to deplete the rainforests making picture
frames.

The Indonesians are doing exactly that, and have been for at least 15 years.

Yes and I think a little more than 15, mid-80's or so.


R. Hubbell


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hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:38:37 -0600 "Gig Giacona" wrote:


"R. Hubbell" wrote in message
news:kp1Cb.56$pY.17@fed1read04...

Look past the "market", move away the curtain and look what's really
behind it
if you have the capacity to do so. The planet is not inexhaustible,
unfortunately.


R. Hubbell


Name one thing, of which, the planet has ever run out. Trees can be
replanted and in a matter of years you can't tell they were ever gone.


The list is so long, if you want to know go to google.com and type extinct.

As for your tree theory, unfortunately you're wrong. New, fast grwoth trees
don't provide anywhere near the same quality of lumber that natural, old growth
does. For this reason more than a few companies have started to "mine" the
logs that became waterlogged during the boom time of logging. Those logs
sunk to the bottom of lakes (great lakes, et. al.) and fetch huge sums of
money for their high quality. Most are preserved perfectly.


We will not ever run out of oil. It will become more expensive but as it
does the motivation to create an alternative will increase


Depends on who you ask, never is a word to be used carefully. I don't think
many people actually care that we use up all the oil. The concern is what
the burning of hydrocarbons is doing to the atmosphere and to us. Check
out the rate of asthma in children in the L.A. basin. Tragic. So the
drive to produce alternates comes from people who really care. Check out
the Toyota Prius. They're selling like hotcakes even with high tariffs.


That is what an free market does. Left alone a free market will cause all
materials to be used for the most efficient use.


Dream on.


R. Hubbell

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:01:10 GMT "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Look past the "market", move away the curtain and look what's really
behind it
if you have the capacity to do so. The planet is not inexhaustible,
unfortunately.

You know, your platitudes are getting tiresome.

Insults are a sign of a lack of an argument. Ad hominem.


We're all aware of the limitations and transitory hardships that trade can
impose, but -- at the moment -- no one has come up with a better economic

Clearly we all aren't aware of the limitations, but talking about it is a start.
Can you imagine selling your child forever to indentured servitude? That's
happening. Get your G.I. Joe for $4.95 but at least be aware that the low price
bares another social cost.


model. If you *truly* have a better alternative to the free market, tell
us.

And if I don't does that mean I the discussion is over? Come on, it's not
about a better model it's about being aware of the costs of the current model
and being aware that it's starting to creak and some of the rivets have
popped.



If you don't, suck it up, quityerbitchin', realize that in this world there
are winners and losers, and try to improve things in your own neighborhood.


It's important to know that what we do as a society effects the rest of
the globe. At least it's important to me. I am wiling to accept that
it is not important to others. But that doesn't change my stance.

Ponder this, 2.6 billion more souls will be added to the planet over the
next 50 years. Go ahead and concentrate on your neighborhood while all
around you there are bigger problems at hand. Either cause is good.
I'm choosing the larger cause. Although I do act locally as well.

R. Hubbell


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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:ja2Cb.310866$Dw6.1046389@attbi_s02...
If you do a web search you'll see reports of between 200,000 to 500,000
popular votes favoring Gore and of course an argument of what that
really
means.

Considering that an estimate 800K to 1.2M illegal aliens voted in the 2000
election, those numbers are dubious. And that's not to mention the several
states that had very quesionable vote totals...that all got lost in the
Florida flare-up.


C'mon, the USA Today election map at
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/usmap-large.gif clearly shows that the
country
OVERWHELMINGLY supported Bush. The fact that the big cities happen to
have
more dead voters just graphically illustrates who is GETTING the tax
money,
versus who is PAYING it.

Wasn't it LBJ that got more votes than there were live voters in his first
Senate run?


Not to mention colleges...like the one in Wisconsin where guys were voting
15, 20 time. One student bragged about casting 29 ballots...all right under
the noses of "impartial" voter boards.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Gh2Cb.310889$Dw6.1048047@attbi_s02...
Look past the "market", move away the curtain and look what's really
behind it
if you have the capacity to do so. The planet is not inexhaustible,
unfortunately.

You know, your platitudes are getting tiresome.

And they're wrong, because while earth's resources may be finaite, human
creativity is not.

Just another example of the left's brain-dead mental process (and they claim
to be soooo superior).

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:8k2Cb.310897$Dw6.1047782@attbi_s02...
Oh yes, that's right. The "Thai (and Chinese) people are simply more
dedicated to what they're trying to do economically than we are".

Perhaps the fact that the workers are paid 24 cents an hour and work 84
hours a week might have something to do with it. But who cares what the
Chinese are paid. We get our toys dirt-cheap.

Okay, how else would YOU define "dedication"?

If these folks are willing to work 84 hours per week, for 24 cents per
hour,
I'd say it's pretty obvious who is more devoted to what they're trying to
do
economically. Would YOU work for that pay?

The obvious answer is "nope". Guess who is more dedicated?

And in China and the Far East, those are good conditions considering where
they've been until just a few years ago.

Hey...I thought Communism, ala China, was supposed to be the "workers
paradise"?? Meb'be not!

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Gig Giacona wrote:

Name one thing, of which, the planet has ever run out.

Cuban mahogany. We will never, ever see marketable trees of this again as
long
as the world lasts.

So?


The list of extinct animals is a lot longer and growing all the time.

And has been for over a billion years.

"Carl Ellis" writes:

Statistics from the US government no less
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
Bush 47.87% (50,456,897) vs Gore 48.38% (50,999,897)

Doesn't look overwhelming to me.

You are misinterpretting the data that the map represents.

And that number for Gore is more people than have *ever* voted for
*any* candidate for public office in America.
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